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Waterloo Boy Experimental Tractor (Bathtub D) Restoration


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Old 06-01-2013, 11:01:44 AM
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I have had this tractor in my shop for a while. I was going to work on it when I hit a stump on the Fairbanks but so far have hit no stumps! I got rolling on it a few weeks ago and got some machine work done. The owner will be posting on here to give the full history of the tractor. This is the FIRST prototype of what would become a John Deere D! There was some talk of it on the 4cyl. Waterloo Boy thread but I thought this girl deserved its own thread! There is a lot of history behind this tractor and a lot of info. that still needs to be discovered! Any help will be VERY much app!!We are having to fabracate a bunch of parts with no pictures or blueprints so it will make all of us scratch our heads .It will be a GREAT piece of John Deere History when it is done! Wendell Kelch
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I dont even like John Deere's but I like this one. Just think if you broke one transmision gear odds are the motor would go at the same time.
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Like a large 'Austin Mini' with the transmission gears and crankshaft all in the same box!!
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Looks like you get all the fun stuff to work on.

Not a big Deere fan myself, but I do enjoy the rare models of any brand.

I'm sure it will be a Beauty when it's finished.

Given what the Spoker Deeres and a few other rarer models go for, I'm guessing this would be what they refer to as "Value Inestimable"

Looking forward to a long and enjoyable thread with LOTS of Pictures.
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Very unique piece of history there. A couple of design questions come to mind. How does the thing clutch the drive, I see the first reduction gears inside the housing and wonder if the pinion on the crank is keyed or splined on the shaft or does it ride on a hub that floats on the shaft and extend to the outside? Also somewhere in Theo Brown's notes he refers to problems with the main case flexing too much. I see what apears to be extra bracing at the rear corners of this casting, are these repairs for cracks or were these for attachment of auxilary parts such as platfofm or controls? Also was the crankshaft in it when found? The thing is fascinating just figuring out what was on the designers minds! F.J.W.
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This is truly a piece of John Deere history, I'm very exited that we'll all be able to follow along on the progress of this tractor!
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lovely project i look forward to seeing the end project i am also doing up a tractor witch was dug out the ground it was missing all the gears in in the gear box and a big hole left there where it all went with a bang its great seeing people doing big projects .
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Looking at those pictures again, I hope those counterbalance weights stay in place being bolted on like that.

Would that be part of the Experimental stage, or were there any production tractors made like that ?

I've seen weights added to flywheels and pulleys, but not to crankshafts like that. At least none I can think of or remember off hand.
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Looking at those pictures again, I hope those counterbalance weights stay in place being bolted on like that.
That's how the big Titan tractors balanced the crankshaft as well.
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FWIW, there are lots of bolt-on counterweights for the model T Ford, I think they are still available today.
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Later JD 'D' has bolted on crankshaft weights like that. I've had to remove them a couple of times to get the crank out of the case. The nuts are tack welded to the bolts to prevent them coming loose!
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We got the crankshaft back from the machinist this week. As best we can tell and from what we have read it had a contracting band clutch like a 10-20 Titan . My best guess is that it was not a good design as the next prototype used a flat plate a lot like the JD Ds. You can see from the pictures that they had cut a keyway in the crankshaft and the first reduction gear and had locked them together to keep the clutch from slipping is my best guess. We fixed that and am ready to put it back together. The crankshaft was in it when it was found but the block,cam,timing cover and the whole front end was gone. AGAIN My best guess is that what they used on the 2nd prototype they took off this tractor and what was a bad idea they left on this carcass! There is going to be a lot of precision guesswork on this one unless someone can dig us up more info! Another thing of interest is that with the gear to gear rear end the flywheel turns CLOCKWISE NOT COUNTERCLOCKWISE like all other Waterloo Boys and John Deeres! Can you imagine hand cranking a JD D Clockwise! I will try to answer all your questions as best I can and it is going to be a ongoing project! Wendell Kelch
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Again, can't say thanks enough for sharing this with us! As far as information on this experimental tractor goes, have you or anyone been able to work with JD archives to see what information they still have on this? Also FWurth made mention of Theo Brown's diaries, have you done any checking into these to see if he may have jotted down any insights in his diaries on this unit?
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are there any images of the complete tractor? I really wish I would have had more opportunity to look at in person at GOG. Looking forward to seeing it progress.
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I think there is a picture of one of rhe early prototypes in one of the published histories of Experimental JD that resembles this one. Probably was of the next version, I'll see if I can find the book and get the title. F.J.W.
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I think the book I had in mind is Expermental John Deere tractors by Peter Letournau (sp) We just did some moving around and I can't lay my hands on it just now. Maybe someone else has better info. But there is a few pictures somewhere out there. F.J.W.
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yep, you are right (amazon has a preview of the book). It shows pictures of the 1919 version, he said there were no pictures he could find of the 1917 version. very interesting. http://www.amazon.com/John-Deere-Lim.../dp/0879389516
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Attached are some scans out of the November/December 1992 Two Cylinder Club Magazine. They have some excellent information and pictures on the early experimental D's. I would assume this is all information Wendell already has since there are pictures of the very tractor he is working on featured on a few pages, as it was found in the early 90's.

PS-not sure the rules on posting scans out of a 20 year old magazine, but if it's an issue I will remove them, just trying to share a little information.
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Here is the rest of the article that is relevant to this experimental tractor, sorry for the poor quality.
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The JD archives would not let me in to look at anything(they used to in the past),they refered me to the two cylinder club. The club told me there was not much other than what was in the 1992 nov-dec issue. There does not seem to be pics of this version (what i think is the first version-spring of 1917),only of the later 1919 version that has the chains on the final drives-therefore flywheel direction on the JD D counterclockwise. I will try to get some pics of what I did start with. Dan Thomas
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