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Tractor has the dual tank for kerosene and gas. I haven't had to research but suspect it is an oil reservoir. Pulled all valves and saved 15 of 16 between two blocks.
Was close to melting here last two days. No room in shop so was working on RI outside. Will pull crankcase this weekend to resolve which model of motor it is.
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Motor completely apart. Motor is a YRA not a YR. Crankcase upper and lower are different on YRA. Crankshaft was reworked for rear seal and bearing on YRA. To allow for rear main changes the botton pan had to be machined out. Front seal is also different. Easy way to tell externally is YR has 12 bolts on each side of pan YRA has 13. I will update any further differences.
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Here is some more Pictures of Rock Island project. First is one ofthe piston the 2 pistons I have out. One is still soaking and the other is broken. Other pictures of clutch,crankcase before removal.Click image for larger version

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Just to update progress. Been busy working on Jetstar 2 diesel. While waiting on parts back to Rock Island. Found bad block had been bored to 4 3/4! So pistons are to be retired. Good block marked YTU is going to be bored to 4 5/8 from original 4 1/2. Original block was overbored but back in those days what were specs? No idea where 4 3/4 pistons originated from. Now we are going to throw a little MM quality by using NOS 4 5/8 from 605 power unit or same as G models. I had rings and pistons in stock. Will have connecting rods boxed and bushings made for the MM pistons. Should solve top end issues. Next to bottom end. (While waiting for Jetstar and RI parts had time to get TC 17-28 work done)
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Picked up a Rock Isand F parts tractor to help complete my F.
Parts tractor is in complete disassembly but has good YRA crankcase. Serial number is 167364 which is 158 lower than my original one with hole in it. It has odd second number on plate 12+ 20. Possibly something was oversized? Now the fun of rebuilding. Still in need of 3 connecting rods.
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Seems like all the parts fs are up your way now. We keep looking, dont have an extra belt pulley now do you? we found that our blocks are marked ytu on our early f as well. Still have that heider carcass?
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No belt pulleys at all. Heider went to KS. picture of parts we dug out of dirt. also picture of the YRA crankcase I needed. Owner said tractor was originally red. They gave me a b/w picture of F from the 40's being converted to rubber.



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Any markings show up in the picture? The red fs are still a total mystery to me
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Picture is quite small and appears to be no decals at all. Appears like hood and side panels are darker than gas tank. My scanner quit so I will post later.
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seems like building fires under transmissions is commom practice. did it under two different jd. once the steel was warm, removed the plug and put the fire out with the water that was ice.

they roll much better when the bull gears are not encased in ice.
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There's the F I once had....... >>> http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19005
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Thanks for picture. Do you remember what thinkness of gasket was used on your Plowman between block and crankcase? I recall a post on the subject but can't locate.
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Attached is picture of F Rock in probably mid fourties. Tractor is gettin a set of cutoffs installed. Picture taken north of Unity SK. Possibly someone can correct and size picture properly!



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oooohh, has lights on it?
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Thanks for picture. Do you remember what thinkness of gasket was used on your Plowman between block and crankcase? I recall a post on the subject but can't locate.
I just asked Mark.......I helped him put the oil pan on and neither of us remember making a gasket.
He used orange, high temp, RTV silicone.
More and more mechanics use that stuff every day.......because it works......
New engines have hardly any gaskets at all.
By the way, when we put the pan on the block was upside down.......and it was still a PIA putting the pan on.......
At the flywheel end of the crankcase we used 3/8" O-ring stock instead of felt in the groove.......worked perfectly.......
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What did you use for cork on crankcase to pan? Silicone again? Plan to make new rods 1/2 Buda, 1/2 MM/TC. Boring to 4 5/8 .
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NO gasket......just RTV.
Never leaked a drop.
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Here is Buda gaskets I am looking at. Don't know application of smaller gaskets as they don't seem to match what I have. Maybe a different manifold.







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Per 38 Victor catalog:
2484 and 6054 have only dimensions in numerical index, but show up as Valve Plug gasket and Exhaust flange gasket, respectively, for Buda XTU, YBU, YBUI, YTU,YR,YRA,YT381 (this batch of engines takes mostly same gaskets)...
8635 is for YU and HTU, and 8644 is for YTU per the numerical index therein.
Late here---will eyeball thru older Budas in AM to see if they show up for any other models.
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CORRECTIONS/ADDITIONS PER CATALOG REVIEW---
Seems the 38 Vic numerical index is abbreviated...neither my 1930 McCord nor 38 Vic has a crossover list, but both list OE numbers--
2484---OE GE17---McC 142A---valve plug, both catalogs
6054---GE296--1733---exh flange in both
8635---GE577---1534---exh pipe in both
8644---GE576---1538---exh pipe port in McC; Int & Exh mfld in Victor...
Reviewing those in both catalogs finds that per those catalogs:
All four listed above fit XTU, YBU, YBUI, YTU, YR, YRA, YT381...
8635 also fits CEU, HTU, ITU (CEU, from 30 McC, not listed in 38 Vic)
The 30 McC does list the YU, with an RU, and the YU does show GE-number OE gasket numbers, but no manifold/exh gaskets are listed (!??!)
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