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Old 05-31-2014, 01:24:54 AM
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Ok, I've been though many pages of google images and I can't find anything like it. What is it?
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At a guess, I'd say WWII vintage.... but I don't think a Harley. The back of my mind is suggesting German heritage. Looks very similar to bikes used in "Indiana Jones Last Crusade" so maybe Zundap or some such?
Just guessing. But I've never seen suspension like that on a Harley.
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1944 Norton Model 16H Military??




Now that I look at it the frame isn't right.....but I believe the vintage is correct....WWII
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Default Re: Motorcycle, What is It?

Thanks guys. There is definitely some similarity with the Norton. I think this bike would be smaller than that one. I went and searched Norton and couldn't find anything identical. I did find some similarity with Royal Enfield too, but no matches. It must be British!
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Maybe a James or bsa
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that can't be in your shop too much room. Nice bike.
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my first thought was an enfield also. Definatly has the british look to the design
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that can't be in your shop too much room. Nice bike.
Good eyes Bob! It's not at my shop. I was over getting the Minny ready for the show if that narrows it down any.

So the only story I know on the bike (or what's left) is that Grandpa got it somewhere and it was in the barn at my place for as long as my Dad can remember. My Uncle took it over to his place for some reason and, well, there it is.
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BSA G14 ? Looks similar, but I was searching from my phone, so hard to see details on the small screen.
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Some similarity to the BSA too.

One thing I haven't seen is how the oil tank is on the left side of this one. Seems like the bigger bikes had them mounted right in the middle with the fill on the right side.
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I don't think it is a BSA but I could be wrong. Looks like a lightweight frame. The G14 is a heavyweight bike. At first I thought BSA Bantam but the oil tank makes it a 4-stroke and the bantam was a 2-stroke. I think the small rigid frame 4-stroke BSA C10 and C11 had open-cradle frames with plates between the fore and aft down-tubes that held the non-unit engine / gearbox assembly in place. Harley Hummer comes to mind but again that's a 2-stroke. James comes to mind also but again, 2-stroke. Simplex also comes to mind but don't know much about them - if they are 4-stroke or not. If I had to guess, it is some mysterious European or eastern-block lightweight with a unit 4-stroke engine. But then, it looks like 40 - spoke wheels which might make it British.
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it was in the barn at my place for as long as my Dad can remember. .
Might be more of it around. I have lost things in my sheds before.
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We need to identify this thing so I know what parts to look for in your inventory.
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It looks very much like a James frame but for the oil tank which kind of discounts being a James. Just a guess but maybe AJS.
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That luggage rack! I strongly suggest this is '37-'39 Maguro Z97. If in fact it is, you have found an exceedingly rare bike. Even more rare to be stateside. I have to admit to never having seen one 'in the flesh'. I would contact the VJMC for help and positive i.d. History: Maguro is a Japanese manufacturer. After the market crash in '29. HD in an effort to generate revenue, sold plans and technology to Maguro. Around 32-ish (not sure) Maguro made a similar purchase from BSA. Probably why this thing looks so british. Maguro was purchased/taken over ? by Kawasaki. I'm fuzzy on this aspect!
I could be completely wrong!! I hope for your sake i'm not. That would be heckuva find. I believe production was under 900. Can't remember if that is yearly or total run. Either way it would be awesome.
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That luggage rack! I strongly suggest this is '37-'39 Maguro Z97.
Do you have any photos of a Magouro Z97?
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Here is the English translation Meguro Motorcycle web-site:
http://meguroworks.konjiki.jp/english.htm
There is a list of pictures by Model and a detailed time-line history of the company, although it is a bit tough to understand some parts of it due to the translation.
Looks like Kawasaki took over in 1964 with Meguro named bikes still being sold through '65.
The only pictures I saw of any that had an Indian style girder fork was a poor image (pencil sketch???) of a Z-97 and a nice color photo of the Z-98. They do look like a match.
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I did find some photos on google. One is a black and white of a Us Marine (ooh rah, devil dog) on a Z97 on a Pacific island. The kneeslider.com had some info and photo's.. The picture was a bike with the buddy seat and not the luggage rack. Somewhere in my library (piles of stuff under piles of parts) I have a great article and photos on this bike. I will look but, be patient please. I haven't used the Dewey decimal system. I really hope this is a Z97. Maybe, your Grandpa brought it home as a war trophy? If your barn is like mine, it may take a couple searches. If you could find the engine. . . We would have an a greater chance of i.d. I'll go look through my junk.
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Thanks for the replies!

I don't think the luggage rack looks too similar to the pictures John posted.

RDub, thanks for taking the time to look through your files. I'm not sure if this helps or hurts, but Grandpa was in Europe, so if this was a war relic, it most likely didn't come from Japan by his hands. If I had to guess it was a $1 bid at an auction and nobody else wanted it. I think it would have been hard to get a motorcycle on the ship back from either theater. He did send some shotguns back that they found in a bombed out farmhouse, but they never made it to here... I think the guys running the post office got all the good stuff! I do have several other relics he sent back though.
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I agree with you on that. John posted a picture of the Z98. The picture I remember is more like your bike. I read some more history on Maguro from the interwebs this weekend. The Kawasaki W-series are said to get styling cues from Maguro. Albeit, I suspect later bikes circa 50's. I believe the key to id is in the luggage rack. When I saw the picture of your bike I instantly thought Maguro. It was 30 years ago when I first learned of and, thought about these bikes! My memory is very suspect!! I will try to dig out the books this week. I know you are probably right about war trophies making it back. Especially, something like a motorcycle. Unless your Grandpa was a high ranking officer or a supply man. Somehow those supply guys got thier stuff back?!
Not to deter our current search but, the likely-hood of this being some obscure euro or eastern-bloc machine as Beezer said is very probable. I gotta find my book so we can say yes or no for sure!
I am totally enjoying this "hunt". Thanks for posting Ryan!
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