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McCormick Deering 22-36 in Tennessee


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Default Re: McCormick Deering 22-36 in Tennessee

I wouldn't change back from the variable governor control. Originally it only had the governor control the full throttle position. You had only full throttle controlled by the gov, every lower speed was controlled by the hand lever so the tractor was a bit clumsy to use for light chores. The variable gov makes it much more operator friendly.
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Music to my ears

7 minutes of video. Kind of boring except the beginning.
You can hear the cylinders start to come to life at the 2:15 and 3:30 mark.

Crank starting a 425 cubic inch four cylinder tractor. Abs, back, shoulders, legs, ribs... I'm gonna be sore tomorrow. So worth it

I'm having trouble uploading the video to photobucket. For now let's see if the youtube link below works. Let me know if it doesn't open. I'll try to reload photobucket tomorrow and repost it.
https://youtu.be/a7xoFZug5cM
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Farrin too late.
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Farrin too late.
Explain so those of us not I'm the know can understand.
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Default Re: McCormick Deering 22-36 in Tennessee

After watching the interesting video you posted I can hear 2 or maybe 3 problems:

1. There is 1 cylinder misfiring. It is only running on 3 cylinders.

2. The magneto timing is retarded too far. Try advancing it.

3. The main jet setting on the carb may be set too lean but don't monkey with that until you address the first two problems.

Good Luck
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#2 on Mark's post. AND, it IS missing.
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Thanks for the info. Well appreciated.

Couldn't find any plugs today. Local NAPA is open tomorrow. Will try there.

I know timing is off. Between carb being thrown together, not knowing where to set the timing on one of these, not having a guide or book, and never working on an old hand crank tractor... I'm learning as I go along.
This is the very first attempt at something new with no instruction.

---------- Post added at 05:57 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:54 PM ----------

As for mag timing being too far retarded...
the lever in the full counter clockwise position is ?
I assume retarded.
Pushed all the way up (in a clockwise movement) is advanced?

Or do I have that backwards?
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From the seat, the lever up is retarded and down is advanced. All the way up should be kill, when crank starting i run the mag all the way up then down enough to take it off kill, should always be started retarded.
Thanks for the video and congrats, you will get it starting and running well yet.
My first tractor was a 22-36, got it running in 1984. It ran just like that, even managed to get it to the show that way. At the time i didn't have a book, and knew something was wrong. At the show two IH guys looked it over and found i had two plug wires in the wrong spot.
Ran beautifull after that, heck, we threshed a lil with it just this year.
My transmission i think has a rough bearing now, sounds like. And the side curtain rubbed a leak in the pot metal oil filter base this year, shoulda seen that coming.
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Thanks Russ! You're a life saver.
I had it backwards. I was lead to believe retarded was down and advanced was up.

I'll be back at it tomorrow. Hopefully find plugs to install and eliminate that part of the equation.

I'm pretty excited about getting this thing going and getting in on the vintage tractor pull at Pioneer Days in less than two weeks. And it's only 23 miles from my home.
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The timing is pretty easy to do by the book, but you have to follow the procedure religiously.
It will run too hot retarded in most cases.
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Farrin too late.
Reading that comment didn't make sense to me at first.
After reading the other posts about the timing, it finally dawned on me. That's a term I used to hear a lot when I first started working on cars in the late 70's and through the 80's. And also I'm sure it had been used when I worked for a small garage/speed shop in the 90's.

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Jensales probably has the manual (and parts books) for your tractor, you can look them up online.

I'm just tickled to death for you to see you've got it running! Awesome feeling seeing it fire to life for the first time, ain't it? Thanks for sharing the vid of it.

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I would NOT reccomend Jensales for manuals. I bought some of their manuals some years back and they looked like photocopies of photocopies, the pictures were nothing but a dark blob and the words were smudged and blury. Binder Books has EXCELLENT manuals and you can frequently find original manuals on Ebay fairly inexpensive.
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I second binder books! Great resource for this project!
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I got a Jensales book for an 8-16 IH and it was all i could find at the time, it was helpfull.
I think for the money on a more common manual like the 22-36 i like the originals, you can get a pretty good deal on one with a bad cover and use it as needed. Years ago they were a better deal, i remember buying all i could for IH at Goodmans in Wichita many years ago and all i had one me was 25 dollars at 5 bucks each. I think e-bay is a cheaper source than the swap meets sometimes, but it takes awhile to get one.
I can copy machine some originals here at work if anybody needs.
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Hmmm....not familiar with Binder Books, but did find this on their website:
http://www.binderbooks.com/early.htm#15-30_Gear_Drive

Looks like all you'd want for one! I've heard some complaints about Jensales over the years, but they do have about any old manual or parts book you'd want.

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I have updates to share and many questions.
Working on resizing the photos so they don't show up on this page so large. Also going to upload two videos to photobucket and share. Anyone recommend something other than photobucket?

Will post sometime this morning when I get everything loaded.
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For videos, there's the ever popular YouTube as well. I use Photobucket to get around the four photos per post rules, but that's a personal decision. Many prefer to use the site host because the pics never disappear unless you delete them yourself.
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Wife took me out for lunch. Had Mexican and needless to say, the largest margarita on the rocks I could get. Celebrating the last of my birthday week. Turned a whopping 50 big ones. I'm just now getting to post up the photos and video from yesterday. As usual, I'll share what I found and what I did. And I encourage feedback. I've been wrenching a long time but until I learn everything there is to know about this big girl, I won't be satisfied.

For starters I pulled the side curtain/hood assembly, valve cover and the spark plugs. Plugs out helped me crank the engine slowly while checking valves.






I found intake valve on #2 cylinder stuck and the exhaust valve on #4 cylinder stuck.




After oiling the valve stems, spring retainers and keepers and working with them a bit number #4 cyl exhaust returned back to seated position.
#2 cyl intake valve proved to be stubborn. I continued to oil and work it, then let it sit for about an hour. Upon working on it again it loosened up. It feels like it seated and when tapping on it with a rubber mallet it sounds like the valve is tapping the seat. But it's the one valve that has the most tappet gap. All the rest are in the .010-.012 range. Maybe it's just a bit out of adjustment. I'll be pulling cover back off the recheck valves again tomorrow and installing a valve cover gasket I'll make from thin gasket making material. Old gasket pretty much deteriorated when I removed the cover.
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Someone here recommended Autolite spark plugs. Local NAPA ordered me a set and had them the next day. Was a lot less expensive than I anticipated ($2.50 each).



Because I didn't know how much oil the dripper trays held, I used an old can and counted. Took 40 full squirts of oil in each tray. I don't know how much you're suppose to put in the valve cover fill holes but I'm going to be using all 40 squirts to run this thing when firing it. Rather be safe than sorry.

Aside from the spring loaded caps in the valve cover that open to fill the dripper trays, I do not understand the other two small cups with sliding covers that hold the valve cover. I tried to clean them but they seem to have some form of check valve in them? Any thoughts?


The cap on the radiator drain was leaking badly so I went to Tractor Supply Co. and picked up a 3/8 to 1/2 inch fitting, 1/2 inch elbow and a water spigot valve. May look a little silly but I have maybe eight dollars in parts and I plan on using a garden hose with adapter, attaching it to the house and tractor and back flushing the cooling system. I can only imagine the decades of build up that could stand a good clearing.
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