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Moline Universal Tractor, Moline Illinois


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I have a very soft soft spot for these tractors as they are a sibling to the Stephens Motor Car. My Uncle was the second owner of a 1924 Stephens that's ownership never left Freeport Illinois...it's home town. It was to go to the city museum by his word but he never got the directives into his will. Sadly his bastard kid stole the car from history. How many cars that are 90 years old that were sold to the public remain in the town they were made? Bet it's less than a dozen or two but now that provenance is lost to that damn kids GREED! I always wanted to put a Moline Plow Company tractor on display with my uncles Stephens but no point now.
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got our D running a couple of weekends ago. this was the first drive. a bit smoky, so thats an issue and no reverse, the clutch is sticking a bit. after driving it around a while it did get better. We will have it at Geneseo IL next weekend along with the Rock Islands. now to find an implement for it and lugs or cleats and a fan cover. we do have extensions for it. we also need a belt pulley shaft and the drive gear for it. the belt pully on it is not correct and has no gear to drive it.

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Paul, I know where a set of wheels with lugs on them are sitting in a junk pile in Minnesota. PM me if you are interested.

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Here is a link to a previous post with some pictures. I have not looked at them in 3 years or so but I assume they are still there.


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Thanks Turbo. The one rim is totally shot, but id be very interested in the lugs for sure.
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I believe these tractors got the nickname of widowmaker. As I understand it, farmers would tow a wagon load downhill and the wagon would overrun the sulky. I have one of those tractors, but I can't remember whether or not they had brakes. I wonder if anyone has ever thought about putting frame rails from the tractor towards the front and move the sulky up in front of the tractor with the sulky wheels steering, and the operator just in front of the radiator. It would make it a somewhat normal looking tractor. Just a thought. Another thought would be having to really stretch the word 'normal'.
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Does anybody here know when the Moline Plow Company entered into Canada and when did Willys-Overland of Canada start selling for them in Canada?
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I have been trying to figure this out myself. I have a two cylinder Model B from 1916-17 which was supposedly an original Ontario tractor, spending its working life in Syndenham, north of Kingston.
I originally thought is was a government tractor purchased by the government of Ontario during WW1 to assist with the wartime labour shortages but this was not the case.
I know of a four cylinder Model D that came out of the Ottawa Valley and have seen a few collectibles appear for sale online from Eastern Ontario, so the Moline Plow Co. had some presence there. Somebody must have been a distributor out that way, but I am not sure who as of yet!
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Willy’s overland was selling them in 1918/1919. Willy’s overland had bought the Universal tractor factory at that time. There was a Moline at the Brandon trials in 1917.
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Default Re: Moline Universal Tractor,Moline Illinois

Thanks for posting that David. I read through the write-up, it sounds like the Moline Plow Co. already had a presence in Canada before Willy's Overland got involved. There must have been a Branch House and a few agents handling the tractors and implements early on?
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I think they did Jeff. The study of the Ww1 tariffs and Ag equipment sales is a study in itself. Canadian manufacturers were tied up making war stuff and it was easier ( in the beginning of the war) for the American builders to sell direct. The dealers names will be out there, just need to find it. It could be that the dealer was actually a Moline exec. Taking a flat car if tractors to be assessed by the war office, and selling them locally afterwards maybe that’s when the got the attention of Mr Willy’s? It will be interesting to find out.

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Well I intend on doing some more digging. I am curious!
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Four Universals were put to work at the 1918 Eastern Canadian Tractor Demonstration at Cobourg, Ontario. The tractors were shown and operated by A. Carlmark, sales manager for Canada of the Moline Plow Co. of Moline, Illinois, H.L. Thompson, engineer, M. Auchmoody of Poughkeepsie, and Messrs. Irwin and Lingren from the factory were on hand.
Willys bought Moline in 1918.
Moline, up to that point, seems to have run the eastern Canadian sales from the Moline factory.
At the 1918 Brandon Light Tractor Plowing Demonstration, the Moline was operated and sold by the Anglo-Canadian Engineering Co. of Winnipeg.
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Thank you Mr Willikers. Jeff, do you think your tractor could be one of the four?
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Default Re: Moline Universal Tractor,Moline Illinois

Also, there is a letter to the editor in the September/October 2019 issue of Antique Power magazine about a Universal bought at Picton, Ontario in the 1960s.
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Would anybody have any info on the Moline tractor in Milton at the OAM/CHP?
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If that was from Mr Smith it could be of historical significance. Are the old museum files still accessible?
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Are the old museum files still accessible?

If anything is still around it would be at the U of G in Guelph? other then that i dont think any records still exist?.I wonder if the tractor at the museum in Milton was one of the four tractors used at Cobourg in 1918?
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Who knows, maybe something will come out of the Guelph files. I doubt there was many of those early 2 cylinders in the province. I’d think at least one of them could have been at Cobourg.
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If the Coburg Tractor Demonstration was held in 1918, there is a possibility a two-cylinder model was present. If there are detailed pictures than we may be able to distinguish which model .The two cylinder model B's were built in 1916/17, the two cylinder model C's 1917/18 and the four cylinder D's 1918 onward.
I should plan a day and go back to the University of Guelph. I was there years ago to look over the Waterloo Mfg. sales records. I will have to inquire if they have a Moline Plow Co. collection?
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