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Late Emerson Brantingham Big 4 Thirty


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Old 05-31-2011, 02:27:35 PM
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Truly awesome. It's a big step forward and keeps the momentum of all our projects going. I will have to play some catch up and get my bearings poured in the near future.
Both are very impressive projects, but considering Bruce has a few years head start I think Allan's catching up fast.

May be a "photo finish" at the end.

Wish I had found this thread earlier, as I missed a lot of opportunities to hit the Thanks button.

Great Job !
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Allen Severson sent these pictures today of his project on the three speed transmission case for the Big 4. We had taken a pair of original transmission cases over to the foundry but the quoted cost was very high due to the problem of cutting the core sand out of the original cases and glueing the core back into the mold. Thus, this avenue for constructing the case was chosen. All of the gears are done along with poured bearing caps, clutch spider and shoes, etc. The welding job looks very good!
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Now thats what I call a beautiful weldment. Can't wait to see it finished with a full set of gears. Ed B
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Default Re: Late Emerson Brantingham Big 4 Thirty

Thats the same thing that Harold Ottaway and John Hall did to reconstruct the trans on the Big 45. Harold ran into the same problem with the casting and this was a much simpler solution. Harold did the layout work, then had John assemble and weld it together, but they were able to save the original gears, it turned out real good. F.J.W.
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You are correct. The original 2 speed transmission cases have a small lip on the outer edge. That lip disallows any possibiliby of using the original case for a core box and having the sand core slip out. That translates into many dollars when the foundry has to go in and cut the core sand, slip each piece out like a jig saw puzzle and then glue it all back together. This will work just fine.

---------- Post added at 07:23 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:21 AM ----------

Whoops...that was supposed to say THREE speed transmission!
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Amazing work. Allen I'd love to tour your shop someday.
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Dad and I went to Deadwood today and picked up the crankcase for the Big 4 from Rod Gaffrey. Rod's line boring job is a work of art. The crank with the rods attached turns over like a swiss watch! Can't wait to get started assembling this engine but I'm afraid it will be fall sometime before we get a chance to work on it.
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Here are a couple of pictures of loading the Big 4 engine's lower end at Rod's yesterday.
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Couple more pictures of getting the crankcase tucked away in the shop.
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Here are pictures from Allen on the late model clutch assembly that he has machined for our tractor. It looks really good! I see he has posted pictures of the processes involved. This is the end result.
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What kind of shoes go on the clutch? Wood, or fiber?
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Woven fiber is rivited on the shoes. I can get the fiber from a supplier in NE Minneapolis, MN.
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I have a question about starting of the Big Four thirty. I assume that its a crank start off the front of the engine located towards the back of the tractor. If the rear mounted belt pully is installed then where is the crank spur installed?
I am building a Big Four in 1/14th scale as a static model and have gleaned a lot of info from various sources but have not seen any thing on starting the tractor. The tractor I'm building is the round top, single speed, 30 with the rear mount belt pully. Thanks, Fred
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Bruce
Great to see the progress you are making with your Big Four,I was lucky enough to have my transmission housings complete and in good order when restoring my machine. Keep up the good work. Norm
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Default Re: Late Emerson Brantingham Big 4 Thirty

Someone else jump in here as I have never started or spent time on a rear mounted thresher pulley tractor. You crank from the rear of the tractor off of the end of the crankshaft.
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Default Re: Late Emerson Brantingham Big 4 Thirty

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Someone else jump in here as I have never started or spent time on a rear mounted thresher pulley tractor. You crank from the rear of the tractor off of the end of the crankshaft.
heres a picture I found somewhere on the internet a while back. should show what he needs.
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It looks as they extended the cranking lug to the rear of the pulley gear box. Putting a belt on that pulley would be quite a challenge! F.J.W.
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Thanks, That old saying that a picture is worth a thousand words is a fitting response to the excellent picture. Thanks again, I appreciate the responses. Fred
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Tom, obviously Western Canada, as Canada Malting is clearly visible on the building and elevator. Still a going concern today, and with all their other malting holdings, the worlds largest producer of malting barley.

Robert

I am going to add that this may well be Winterpeg, as sometime after '06 Canada Malting had both a Malt house and elevators there as well as other western Canadian centers.

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Default Re: Late Emerson Brantingham Big 4 Thirty

We are getting close to beginning assembly of the big 4 engine. On the outer end of the front and rear main bearings there is a groove cut into the babbitt. There is a grease cup mounted in the cap and when grease is forced into this groove it is supposed to provide a grease seal to stop oil leaking from the crankcase. Rod Gaffrey came up with the idea of adding an extra seal as an extra safegard against leakage. He came up today with his portable line boring jig and we cut in another groove to accomodate some graphite based water pump packing. This required removing the crank so we could set up his boring jig. We started about 7:00 this morning and had the crank back in by noon.
Thanks go out to Rod for his help!
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