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Sawyer Massey Tractors


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Old 11-25-2004, 05:18:31 PM
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I just LOVE the Sawyer Massey line....and here are some pics but I haven't a CLUE as to their ratings. Sawyer Massey used some very strange number ratings---sort of like Huber..try and keep THEM straight in your head. Just TRY!



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Craig, one of our club members owns this 1907 Sawyer-Massey steamer (60 hp at the flywheel).
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^ WOW! What a beauty!!! Wonder how that engine spent its life to still have that nice smooth boiler shell!!
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Heres a picture of my Grandfathers Sawyer-Massey from around 1950's. They are a wonderful machine, quiet, dependable,strong, easy to maintain etc.. The extra belt pulley was to run a belt to the back of the platforn to run a buzz saw to "circle" slabes of wood for the firebox.
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NICE photo!!! That's one HECK of a pulley for sawing slabs!!!!
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The tractor in the bottom two photos looks like a Minneapolis 25 HP farm motor to me.
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Tom's right again..its a 25-50 Minneapolis
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As long as someone knows what's what I'll just keep posting!!!
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Greetings all:

I believe the 20-60 Sawyer is located in Holland. Is this correct John. It was sold out of Ontario some years ago.

Brian,...........where did your grandfather live, what was his name and do you know what became of the engine?

We sold our 20-60 in 2001 after having been in the since new. It was built in '15 and languished at an agents warehouse until my grandfather bought it in '25. It threshed commercially until 1958. Grandfather had a run farms that consisted of as many as 70 farms in a season, often barn threshing with a foot or more of snow on the ground. He had a set of lugs [Sawyer item] similar to a set of mud spades that he used in the winter, just one row per wheel. We still have the bill of sale for the engine, and grandfather's log book for all his threshing jobs.

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This weekend at Rushville, Indiana.

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We started work on a 20-40 Sawyer-Massey the last few days. It is a 4 stacker like the one restored by a great friend, the late Lorne Harris of Dresden, Ontario which is shown in Brad's video above. There may be other 4 stackers, I am not sure? I think they were likely all-gasoline fuelled machines but I stand to be corrected on that. Others had preheater manifolds for kerosene.
We had this one running last year when it arrived but are just getting back to it now. We need to get some stuff off before it turns too cold as it is in an unheated shed. Got the heads off and cleaned up today. Everything came apart quite nicely and no broken bolts - yet! We'll get into the heads tomorrow - the valves are real leakers!
A precautionary note that might relate to other tractors. We pulled the lower cast covers off the blocks and each block had about 4-6 inches of damp muck and crud built up in the blocks! Luckily, there appears to be no frost or other damage. Not sure of the history of this tractor, whether farm use or more likely a township roads tractor. But no one ever thought to flush her out back in the day and they musta been scooping water out of mud puddles to fill her! Anyway, something to consider checking on other tractors you might find in the rough! I have had Oil Pukes that had muck a quarter or more the way up inside the block but being oil coolant, not so much a crisis.
Does anyone make replacement top glasses for the 10 feed Detroit (Canadian-Detroit) mechanical lubricators? We went through it and it works great but need the sight glass - do they use one long one or two small ones?
This 20-40 is a nice, fairly original old gal. But she is one dirty old pig! My hands look like they haven't been washed in weeks and my work clothes are going to need some heavy duty soaking to get clean. But it is all great fun!
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We went through the heads and lapped the valves. The big pipe elbows had to come out for each exhaust stack. We were able to saw and collapse them out leaving good thread in the exhaust ports.
One rod is away getting rebabbitted as one shell was split in two. They are replaceable shells and still have the 'G' parts number from the factory! Pistons have wiper rings so maybe have been out in more modern times. Not sure when that would have been as I remember this tractor being sold at auction around 30 years ago and I don't think it had been worked on after that?
That sale was for the late Mr. Bill Shillinglaw, a founder of the Milton SteamEra. Might anyone have information of where they got it. It is unique in that it has a belt pulley on each side, both are the same S-M parts number. We are wondering whether it was a township tractor and ran a rock crusher and another device at the same time, such as an elevator, etc.?
When Lorne was restoring his tractor, he came across some interesting green paint underneath some greasy brackets on one side. I have a picture here somewhere but can't find it. It was a green that I will call 8-16 Mogul tractor green. We wondered about it at the time but Lorne opted to restore it to a dark green. The motor on the one here appears to have been dark red but there are signs of the same Mogul green on some grease covered parts. This tractor will not be repainted at this time but I am wondering if there is a modern match number for this paint?
The Sawyer-Massey works was right around the corner from the IHC Deering works in Hamilton, Ontario so it is possible that S-M ended up with some surplus Mogul paint I suppose. Many of the older IHC tractors sold in Canada will have Hamilton works plates on them.
When I restored the little 11-22 S-M, I found traces of a dull orange paint, the same as Ross Clarke found and painted the 11-22 at Austin, Manitoba. At the time, I asked the late Allan Byers about that and he said forget it and paint the darn thing dark green! Allan also owned the 11-22 that sold into England at Lorne Harris' estate sale and also owned the 20-40 we are now working on. He also had what he called a 30-60 Sawyer, though I think it was more correctly a 25-50. But Allan had said that he talked to an old worker from S-M who said they definitely made a few 30-60 rated tractors with all-gasoline and higher compression, so who knows. That tractor is now in the Diebolt collection.
Anyway, paint colours and other variations are an interesting subject. Even larger companies such as Rumely were known to mix 'n match paints. The super-powered lightweight Oil Pulls were very popular here in Ontario and could be bought in steel blue, gray and different shades of green!
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So was IHC building tractors in Hamilton? My '28 McCormick-Deering 15-30 has an IH of Canada plate on it. Does that mean it was built in Hamilton?
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G Post11;
The brass top Detroit I've seen have a flat sloping glass on top and it is thin and the glass used on medium or small portraits is correct thickness.
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IHC built crawler tractors in Hamilton in later times but I can't remember the model numbers. Not sure if they did any assembly of earlier tractors here to get around customs duties but tractors brought into Canada generally had the Hamilton plate as importer/vendor. It was a huge works in Hamilton and made a lot of farm equipment, including mowers and threshing machines. Case-IH ran it for a few years after the takeover. Not sure what goes on in there now.
Ed - thanks re the Detroit glasses. There is nothing at all on top of this one so it will all have to be fabricated if nothing can be found.
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Onkel G, did Mr. Shillinglaw not get that tractor out of Hawkestone? I seem to recall something to that effect.
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Not sure what goes on in there now.
City of Hamilton Garbage truck headquarters and repair facility.

I work for Hamilton's paratransit service (D.A.R.T.S.). We currently share 330 Wentworth north with City of Hamilton Fleet Services Central Yard. Long story short, the rumour is Fleet Services Central is supposed to be kicking the garbage trucks out and moving in there shortly.
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It dawned on me that I had a picture of the sawyer massey gas tractor at the WDM in Saskatoon - well worth the while going there to see all the stuff, anyway I believe this is a 20 40
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My good friend just liberated this one from another collector and it arrived this week. I am excited to have it in the neighborhood. It needs motor work and some put together is all.
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20 - 40 Sawyer Massey gas tractor from the Country Heritage Park Collection (former Ontario Agricultrial Museum) Milton Ontario Canada.John
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