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Here is another 20 - 40 Sawyer Massey gas tractor from the local Area.John
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Here's a picture from a 1990 Engineers & Engines magazine of the 11-22 S-M at Austin, Manitoba. The chap driving it did much of the work on it. Not sure what to say about him? He hasn't changed all that much in the years since. Was he simply older than he looked back then or has he kept his youthful ways today? Maybe it's the water up north?
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Speaking of........does anyone know where Jim Erdle's wound up?.......
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Jim's two 11-22s went to a Stakker in MN. Maybe he has some updates? The 20-40 was said to have gone to Kaleeforny?
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20-40 is down in Indiana for the time being and will end up in southern Minnesota at some point in time.
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Both of these are at the Little Log House Show in Hastings, MN.
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This 11-22 came back to the Hamilton area this past weekend. It is now just up the Hamilton Mountain from where it was built close to 100 years ago! We had it running for the new owner for a good part of the afternoon today. The day started with a successful hydrostatic inspection on their 17 hp Sawyer & Massey steam traction engine! A great summer day to enjoy good friends and good ol' Canadian made outfits!
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Before and after shot. Still needs lettering done yet but heading to the show in the next couple days. Albany Pioneer days is just a week away Sep. 18,19,20

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The 11-22 from jims looks great, any idea what had to be done? It looked like a lot was missing at the sale.
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From reading this thread it appears that Sawyer Massey was known to "mix and match" paints on their equipment. Has any sort of a pattern emerged regarding the orange vs green?
Was this a marketing gimmick for tractors sold in one region or another, or was it more likely something dependent on year?
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Jeff,
Not sure if there was a pattern re colours? The one I had that is now back in the area showed the orange and red wheels. It was earlier that Joe's and had fender sides as well. They appeared to have some green with fancy pin striping. The tractor had been painted over already when I got it and I redid it in dark green with red wheels. It almost seemed as if orange was the main colour they used for them. Some of the bigger tractors, such as the 17-34 may have been orange as well. A lot of the gas tractors were sold to counties and townships along with graders and crushers and so maybe they used orange for that purpose?
And Joe, the S-M looks fantastic!
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When Sawyer Massey won the gold with their 25-45 at the 1913 Winnipeg trials,their H.P ratings were recorded at over 58 H.P. It wouldn't be to hard for them to reach 60 H.P in the years after. One interesting thing they tried was an auxiliary exhaust manifold that helped to vent the lower end of the cylinder during the exhaust stroke, claimed to help cool the valves. i guess this could help squeak out a bit more HP possibly. Their seems to be lots of trials with various types of exhaust manifolds, perhaps this was an area where they tried to gain power. I'm working on another 25-45 now and under the grease is an identical green to the dark "forrest" green very similar to Mr Currans old Sawyer. Their will soon be 2 big sawyers running here each slightly different from each other. It will be interesting to compare the two.
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Then you can work on the 20-40!
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Yep, those smaller pieces on the 20-40 will be a treat, after all the finger pinching '45s!
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When Sawyer Massey won the gold with their 25-45 at the 1913 Winnipeg trials,their H.P ratings were recorded at over 58 H.P. It wouldn't be to hard for them to reach 60 H.P in the years after. One interesting thing they tried was an auxiliary exhaust manifold that helped to vent the lower end of the cylinder during the exhaust stroke, claimed to help cool the valves. i guess this could help squeak out a bit more HP possibly. Their seems to be lots of trials with various types of exhaust manifolds, perhaps this was an area where they tried to gain power. I'm working on another 25-45 now and under the grease is an identical green to the dark "forrest" green very similar to Mr Currans old Sawyer. Their will soon be 2 big sawyers running here each slightly different from each other. It will be interesting to compare the two.
Forget the green, the main colour of this one is grey, with red gearing. It's serial number 3517. Year 1911
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Davey,
That's interesting. Grey eh? Never seen that but not surprised as they probably used what they could get.
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It'll be ready to start soon, once it's outside I'll take some pictures. Both of the big Sawyers here are early prototype ones.
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Davey,
Do you have all the parts to finish the 20-40? I forget now, how is it set up for intake and exhaust manifods - is it a 4 stacker? As you mentioned, Sawyer-Massey seemed to mess around with exhaust systems quite a bit over the years. That may have been related to experimenting with gasoline and kerosene burning. The 20-40 we are working on here is set up for all-gasoline.
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The 60hp from Holland may have been Grenville McCaugues engine from Beeton Ontario. If it is it always had a roof on it which would explain the smooth shell
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We did some tractor running and photography today with the 11-22 Sawyer-Massey that friends have near Hamilton. A fine fall day and I was still able to remember what all those levers did! (After some practice!) She ran very well.
Story to follow in Antique Power in the New Year!
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