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Working on the Hart Parr Old Reliable in Holland


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Old 02-02-2008, 02:21:43 PM
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Default Working on the Hart Parr Old Reliable in Holland

Hello Smokstakers .
Today it was a big day on our farm.
Becouse we took the engine from the frame.
And Rob Hart Parr helpt us with his excavator.
A week ago we took the oil out.
Now the frame is empty.
We have to do this becouse the frame is very dirty and craked.

Clemens Brothers
Holland
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Old 02-02-2008, 02:27:47 PM
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Default Re: Working on the Hart Parr 30-60 in Holland

Here are some more pictures
you can see that this tractor never was touched.
Look at the flyweel last picture, there is some original litle lines on it.
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Very interesting. Hope everything goes well for you guys. Is this going to be a full out restoration or just mechanical work to get it running?
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Old 02-02-2008, 03:37:48 PM
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Hi Chris,

Very nice, I see you are getting along with your HP.
Do you think you will have it ready for the great 'Vooroorlogse Tractorshow Bergeijk' on 9 and 10 August this year??

That would be superb

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Hello Jeff en Gijs,

Jeff whe have allready for two years a discusion about it in the famely (paint it ore not paint it)
I have talked to some tractor people in Europe lyke Piet Verschelde,Ronnie Schilstra, John Bakker,Michel Geldoff,.
They say dont paint her .
If have talked with some American people they also say dont paint this tractor.
I have seen the legen dairy Hart Parr number 3
Most of the big Hart Parrs are restored with new paint.
Unrestored are difficult to find now
This tractor was looking at the cilinder, more then 80 years stuck from standing,
a year ago we have it running, now we are going to do the mecanical ( this winter), next winter we are going to make the restauretion complete.
Butt i think now, with now new paint on it.
I am going to try with owatrol thats keaping the rust away.
take some tests.

Hoi Gijs.
Wat zou ik eens graag met jou willen praten.
Weet jij dat de Hart Parr het zusje van jou van International is.
Ze hebben jaren lang naast elkaar gestaan.
Met elkaar staan praten !!!.
Als je een keer in de buurt ben, kom dan eens een koppie koffie drinken.
Ik denk nog niet dat het lukt om met de tractor naar de show te komen meestal ook er druk om die tijd (ik zal het proberen).
Mijn broer komt zeker.
Ben ook al gevraagt voor het Fleaien festifal in Friesland.
Heb ik ook al af moeten zeggen.
We houden even contact met elkaar.
Groetjes
Chris
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Congratulations on the tractor.
My wife was born in Haarlem! Her father was USAirForce.
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Hello Kevin
Whe have a lot American people in the 60,70 and 80 on Airforce bases in Holland.
Whe also have a lot incomend with the American and Canadian people.
A lot of emigrands from Holland went to the yours
New York was made bij the people from Holland.
The name New York in the beginning was New Amsterdam .
And you can call Holland the little America of Europe

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Hi Bros, Nice to see Henric getting his hands dirty on the old HP. Must be fun to work on the old girl. Is Rob the Rob that visited here with Henric several years ago, or is a different Rob?

Slow progress on my 28-50, getting all the parts cleaned and primed, ready to put back together.
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Jeff whe have allready for two years a discusion about it in the famely (paint it ore not paint it)
I have talked to some tractor people in Europe lyke Piet Verschelde,Ronnie Schilstra, John Bakker,Michel Geldoff,.
They say dont paint her .
I've been on Michael Geldoff's website. Boy he has quite a collection. I'm curious as to what line of business he is in because I've never, ever seen a setup like that. It's like a private museum! Does he bring his stuff out regularly, or does it stay in his building?

As far as your HP goes, I'm sure that is a tough decision to make, especially with a piece as special as the one you've got. It's your machine, so whatever decision you do make, it'll be the right one! Good luck! Keep us posted!
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Hi Bros, Nice to see Henric getting his hands dirty on the old HP. Must be fun to work on the old girl. Is Rob the Rob that visited here with Henric several years ago, or is a different Rob?

Slow progress on my 28-50, getting all the parts cleaned and primed, ready to put back together.
Dave
Hi Dave, yes thats the Rob that visit you a several times, no iam working on my 12-24, the frame and several parts are sandblasted, and no painted in primer, so i can started put the parts back together

greetings

rob hart parr
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Old 02-03-2008, 12:43:26 PM
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Hi brothers Clemens, here is a another picture, here is Henric holding his son! because he wants to help with pulling the engine of the frame!

greetings

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Hello Dave, Jeff, Rob and the other stakers
Take a looke at the new pictures !!!!.
Looke wats happening with the frame, the two long pieces on the end, both turning to the wright, -----
The left is worser then the wright.
I also have to take both pieces out.
to make them good.

Thanks Dave.
Im am looking foward at your Hart Parr.
Jeff somtimes Mr Geldoff take some peaces out of his collection fore going to a show like the last year on the Duch show in Panningen
you should vizit the Geldoff collection.
Iff you ever are going to do that, go in the fall
The trees are very nice and its in the World War One surrounding.
A lot of memorial fields and museums.
The Belgian people are very friendly and they have some very good restaurants somtimes better then in Holland.
I think we shoult take it to Holland.
Make one country of.
Maby we coult buy it !!!!!

The Clemens Brothers
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I've been on Michael Geldoff's website. Boy he has quite a collection. I'm curious as to what line of business he is in because I've never, ever seen a setup like that. It's like a private museum! Does he bring his stuff out regularly, or does it stay in his building?

As far as your HP goes, I'm sure that is a tough decision to make, especially with a piece as special as the one you've got. It's your machine, so whatever decision you do make, it'll be the right one! Good luck! Keep us posted!
I have visited the Geldoff collection a couple of times. It is fantastic and housed in the most amazing building. They are very friendly and will let you visit by arrangement. If you are in Europe at any time, it is worth contacting them and asking if you can visit. I understand that Mr Geldoff is in the specialised heavy end of the precision engineering business, including the manufacture of major ccomponents for nuclear reactors.

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Hi Dave, yes thats the Rob that visit you a several times, no iam working on my 12-24, the frame and several parts are sandblasted, and no painted in primer, so i can started put the parts back together

greetings

rob hart parr
Hi Rob,
I figured it was you and Carol even said that has to be you. Great to see you lend the Bros. a helping hand, looks like the backhoe has everything under control.
Keep up the good work,
Dave
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I think we shoult take it to Holland.
Make one country of.
Maby we coult buy it !!!!!

The Clemens Brothers
Hi Chris!
I would not have a problem with that, living close to Maastricht, one of the nicest towns in the region!
About the HP: you can always restore and paint it, but once you've done that, there is no chance anymore to get it back to original (I like the pinstriping that is left on the flywheel very much). But it is your decision, whatever you decide, it will always be a good looking tractor.
Should you ever be close by, you're welcome to visit us.
Best regards
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Hello Marcel
Thank you.
You are a very nice person.
A coople years ago , you was with your Rumely 30-60 with big plow on Panningen.
I was standing with my brother next to you with a English man (the Englisch man had a Rumely H) and i ask you wil you start it for me.
It was no problem and you start it
i coold standing next to you and i saw how the engine was breathing (the upper deck of the engine was goin up and down), i have never seen that in my life that tractors can do this
It was fantastic looks like a big whale.
Your also welkom at my place.
Drink a cup a koffie and take the German friends with you
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Hey Marcel, I was that Englishman!

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Now i know your name, thanks Richard
Today i was a litle bit further in the progress.
I took one beem out and take some pictures of it.
You can see there is a big crake in it.
I think this crake was happen more then 80 years ago.
Becouse they never weld it and they putt both sizes a little plate on it with square bolts in it.
Wat i am going to do now is welding it again, putt the little plate with square bolts agains on it so you can not see that it was welded and its stonger then.
And it stay original
When i was buzy with the frame i saw a coople time the name Carnegie .(last picture i make it al little bitt white)
I was thinking there where two big names at the begining of the 20 Century in the U.S.A.
One was Rockefeller (Oil).
The other one was Carnegie (Steel).
This frame must have been made by Carnegie Steel Company
A coople of years ago i heard a story that Popstar Madonna was been married with Guy Richie somwere in a castle in Scotland ore the U.K. that was owned by the Carnegie family
It coolt by the same family .
I have another Hart Parr 30 C and if i looked in the rear wheels, i see the same name !.
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Hi Chris,
Yes, I still remember you saying you had a big H-P. If that Hart-Parr would not have a cast crankcase, I guess it would blow a 1/4"gauge plate right of with that displacement volume of 38 litres! When I was a German George's place a couple of weeks ago, and we were driving the old girl around, you could really feel the huge forces that are working inside the engine. A very interesting tractor and engine, with some nice features like the camshaft and valve operation and the forward/reverse. Where did yours originally worked?

Richard, didn't you buy a Volvo tractor in Panningen in 2004? If I remember well, you brought your Rock Island to that show.

Looking forward to meet you guys again in Bergeijk this year!

Best regards
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I've seen the exact same thing you mean with the engine breathing. The 15-25 Fairbanks Morse at Vista will do the same thing at idle. You can see it move up and down slightly.

That's rather interesting with the Carnegie Steel frame. The 120 Horsepower Holt engine at Vista is on a Carnegie frame as well. Although I can't remember if it has the "script" N in the middle.
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