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Working on the Hart Parr Old Reliable in Holland


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With the Happy Farmer complete I will need to live vicariously through other people’s restoration projects. Thanks for all the updates and pictures I really enjoy looking and learning!

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You mean you don't have a "next project" waiting outside???
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Old 02-11-2008, 03:58:59 AM
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Ok Smokstakers,
I show you all wat i have done this weekend.
One frond lug of the engine was broken off and gone.
I think it happends a very long time ago.
Someone must have been pulling on the wright side of the tractor ( this is how the frame gets craked and the frond lug off the engine is gone.
When its almost 100 years old theres always somthing with it
Becouse its to thick you can not weld it
This is wat we have done at the pictures.
We made a new lug and holes then we putt it on with bolts.
Its stronger then ever and we make it nice with the last little plate and some iron cement.
You can never see it enimore that it was craked and it looks originall and its very strong.
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Old 02-11-2008, 05:34:20 AM
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That's a beautiful job! you would never know that the lug is not original!
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Old 02-11-2008, 06:40:28 AM
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Nice work Chris,
Looking forward to see it all tomorrow!!

Gijs
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I've seen a good many old blacksmith repairs that were strapped and bolted, I guess before brazing got really good?

It's amazing some of the repairs that were able to be done way back in the day!

Good job on the modern repair, by the way.

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Old 02-11-2008, 03:28:27 PM
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Good job! Maybe you could use 'inbus' bolts instead of the hexagonal, you don't need the cover plate in that case if you countersink the bolts and fill up the heads.

Tell my best regards to Gijs tomorrow and serve him a good cup of coffee!

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Old 02-12-2008, 04:45:21 AM
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Thanks Richard, Gijs, Mike and Marcel
When i was posting yesterday the pictures here on smokstak,
i was thinking, is there someone how see it.
Wel Mike McKnight saw it.
We have some technical support from a blacksmit.
A friend of us, older retired person.
Helping us sometimes, this person once build a 2 cylinder Deutz engine in a 1970 Chevrolet impala,when this car stopt i frond o a traffic light it was complete chaking.
He also made a Allis Chalmers u going very fast not by working in the gearbox but by making a chain from the beld pully to a man made gear wheel behind the rear wheel.
The only thing was that it was a little bitt noisy, when he putt the beld pully on.

Ok here are some new picture from the wright rail.
its finish,you have all see how it was, now you can see that its very nice been welding.
And Craig i have found a number, its not near the boards, it was in the middle of the of the rail where the engine was.
the first 2 is a little bit gone so its number 204621.
I have talkt with Lyle about it, Lyle says it is a number of the manufacture of the I beam.
Its goth nothing to do with Hart Parr.

Marcel its also a good idea what you have.
and i wil give him a good cub of coffee.

And vieuwers have a look at the last picture, you can see at the frond also the litlle old paint lines are stil on it.

Clemens bros.
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Brothers Clemens.......now that you have the 30-60 Hart Parr dismantled this far it's a good time to find the serial number which is stamped in the top of the left frame rail (looking forward) near the rear of the tractor.
There should be rather large numbers stamped which are not usually visible as they are covered by the platform planks.
It would be interesting to know.......
I have to quote myself in order clear up the above remarks regarding a serial NUMBER.
I knew I had some more information but just found it.
A LETTER CODE, as described by Ben Hart (son of Charles), was stamped into the frame in the area described above.
The code is letters A through J corresponding to 1 through 0.
The 30-60 here had the letters EGAF or BGAF.......the first letter was very difficult to make out.
We arrived at the letter B due to the number of engine base holes in the frame and so on.
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Old 02-12-2008, 05:36:57 PM
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Just back from a nice day at the Clemens Bros. farm. The HP looks very nice, though completely parted. I am sure it is going to be a nice one when ready,

Clemens Bros, thanks a lot for your hospitality today, it was a good dayfill instead of a day going to college

Soon I will have to post a thread on the Mogul progress I think since this is a very interesting thread.
Does anyone else feel for a Mogul C 25HP restoration thread out there??

Gijs
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Mogul Thread sounds great Start right now
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Goed, ben ik vanaf de computer voor enkele ogenblikken geweest, en ik zou definitief mijn commentaren aan dit project willen toevoegen. Het is groot omhoog lettend op de vroege stadia van deze restauratie van dit H.P.. Levensonderhoud 30-60 het goede werk, en houdt de foto's komst. Robert
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George: Jedes mögliches Gewinde ist fein, wenn es altes Eisen miteinbezieht. Mach weiter so, und halten Sie das Fotokommen. Obwohl ich sehr viel nicht diesem Forum ab spät hinzugefügt habe, habe ich wirklich die harte Arbeit von anderem genossen, das genug freundlich gewesen sind, ihre Bemühungen hier bekanntzugeben, damit alle sehen. Robert
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Hello Graig, George, Gijs en Robert,
Craig thanks fore the notice and story.
The next beam is the left beam now, if i find some letters ore numbers on this one i let you know.

Gijs it was very nice yesterday, a lot talking together.
And i am looking out at the item on smokstak maby.
>Working on the Mogul C 25 HP in (Holland)<
Ore restoration

George i am looking foward talking to you

Robert thanks
You know a lot of languages !!!!.
Clemens Bros.
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Brothers Clemens: You should hear my French, especially when I hit my thumb with a hammer. Sorry no, not many languages, just a very good translater. I learned to use this useful tool when visiting European George's country this past November. It was very helpful in aquiring accomadations ahead of time.

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I have to quote myself in order clear up the above remarks regarding a serial NUMBER.
I knew I had some more information but just found it.
A LETTER CODE, as described by Ben Hart (son of Charles), was stamped into the frame in the area described above.
The code is letters A through J corresponding to 1 through 0.
The 30-60 here had the letters EGAF or BGAF.......the first letter was very difficult to make out.
We arrived at the letter B due to the number of engine base holes in the frame and so on.
Hello Craig and all the other smokstakers
We are very buzy have a lot of work on the left rail.
This one is much thicker and heavy then the other one
It was also craked butt we have help from a black smit.
Now its straight again.
We dont have found letters in it, only 3 numbers
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Sorry Craig
I was forgot here are some pictures
I only found 2 7 5
This rail was made by a other manufacture (Illinois).
So Hart Parr must have been 2 manufactures
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Of steal
I also going to show you wat i have done with the frond axel
The kanon bullit hanging down the front was very dry.
and you can see the dirt in it (there were almost coming Dinesauruses coming out of it)

I have clean up the frond axel, putt it in the Owatrol and putt new grease in it
You can see with the Owatrol the frond axel is only a litle bit darker.
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I also going to show my Smokstak friends my secret weapon.
Its only fore my Smokstak friends so dont tell it somebothy else.
If you have problems with you castiron parts ore cilinders stuck.
Try to buy this monsterburner in Holland we call it a pigburner
With the long tail you can come everywere
The hole Hart Parr was felt to pieces and nothing was broken with this thing
Also the big pistons came out with it.

Clemens bros
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Brothers Clemens: You should hear my French, especially when I hit my thumb with a hammer. Sorry no, not many languages, just a very good translater. I learned to use this useful tool when visiting European George's country this past November. It was very helpful in aquiring accomadations ahead of time.

Robert

Craig likely thought I was making that all up. I meant every word of it.
Hello Robert
When you hit your thumb with a hammer you say a word starts with a D maby its Dail 911 ore Doctor
if you ever going back to Europe you can vizzit us
Your welkom
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Sorry Craig
I was forgot here are some pictures
I only found 2 7 5
This rail was made by a other manufacture (Illinois).
So Hart Parr must have been 2 manufactures
There was/is a rolling mill in Chicago, Illinois that made most of the I beams found on farm equipment made in that time period. I think the mill is still in operation.

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