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Old 03-16-2008, 05:03:24 PM
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I know this is not exactly steam but it is steam related, In the I plan on doing some roading in the new year to shows around minnesota, In the Uk I would pull a living van with capacity for coal water and tools, I did not bring my van to US so I am in need of a suitable trailer/ living van that will carry about 3 to 4 tons, about 7 to 8 feet wide and about 18 to 20 foot long,
anyone got any ideas where i could get something like this? perhaps a fruehoff or similar, with solid rubber tires and springing, what kind of vans were used by the crews way back when? anyone got any photos?
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Old 03-16-2008, 05:37:04 PM
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I can't answer your question.

I'm assuming that you're talking about running a rubber tired traction engine on the road - pulling a trailer?? Yes, I've seen video of this being done in England.

I'd wonder what the local authorities/police have to say about something like this??

I'd love to see it, and also to see any authorities' facial expression.

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Old 03-16-2008, 06:24:13 PM
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You'll need to go more modern that the cook cars etc that were pulled around in the heyday of steam as our engines were meant for slow, heavy work. The wagons had steel or wooden wheels, wood axles, no bearings. The speeds your engine could attain would have smoke coming off the ends of every axle on your trailer. I'm sure someone has a trailer that will fit your needs.
You may go broke hiring escorts to get you through some of the more restricted places.
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Old 03-16-2008, 06:36:32 PM
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This is interesting, and I appreciate the input, I have talked about roading for some time, and I get the same response,,that is I will encounter flack while on the roads, now correct me if I am wrong, but the Marshall is a tractor, it was designed as a tractor for agricultural use, right? well then I don't see any difference between driving my John Deere, Chalmers, farmall, or Marshall down the public highway, OK so you wont get me on interstate 35, 169 or hwy 94 but for your average roads as long as I have insurance, and a red triangle, slow vehicle sign on the back I am fine,? also the engine does have period lights befitting its age, so what say you?

perhaps this should be in a thread of its own?
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Old 03-16-2008, 07:24:02 PM
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Dan,

You have an interesting question.....a steam engine is considered a pressure vessel and they are technically not permitted on the roads-to the best of my knowledge. Your best bet is to contact the MN Dept of Transportation & see if you can get some type of ruling---and then carry it with you. We have some wild DOT officers around here that would fine you to bankruptcy......

Good Luck & post the pictures!

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Old 03-16-2008, 07:29:06 PM
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Dan?
We do it here quite a bit. As a farm related vehicle, all you need is a slow moving vehicle sign in plain view and you are good to go! It can be a lot of fun really. Stanleys are allowed on the roads anywhere so why not farm engines?
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Old 03-16-2008, 07:34:22 PM
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Dan- Do you farm with it? Yes, you say? Ok, so you farm with it… as long as you “farm with it” in the great state of Minnesota, where nothing is allowed, you need a couple things: a slow moving sign, and time. The trailer doesn’t need a license plate on it so long as it is for agricultural use… which it would be as you farm with the tractor and need to be doing what you’re doing for business purposes. Anyhow the quote we got from our friendly state politicians is you needed to “farm with it.”

That said dad had a disagreement going with one of the mid-level governmental functionaries over transporting a dismantled airplane on MN roads. Long story short they said he couldn’t use a pickup and trailer so he threatened to take the 4 wheel drive farm tractor with trailer down to South St. Paul (from Brainerd, about 150 miles) load the airplane on the trailer and then proceed to do laps around the capitol with the tractor, trailer, and airplane until the evening news talking heads showed up. They quickly gave him permission to use a truck.

Just be creative, and if told no, think about it some and try something different. The state politicians don’t want to be made look like a fool on TV.

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Old 03-16-2008, 07:40:58 PM
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In thinking about this for a couple more minutes. Perhaps one could contact one of the evening sport show people such as, “Out and About” or “On the Road” with Jason Davis. If you had several vehicles following you to wherever you were headed, no state trooper with half a brain would give you problems. Don’t ask, just do, but make sure you have the camera crew for insurance.

You would be doing this for the good of the state wouldn’t you?

I LOVE IT!

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Propane tankers and Anhydrous tanks certainly are Pressure Vessles... I see Lots of them on the roads around here in the winter and spring...

Maybe Dan will Need Hazmat Signs...
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I guess I wasn't aware where you were, Dan. I'm not familiar with Mn. regs. North Dakota allows farm equipment to travel unhindered, even on the interstates. Ken is right, anhydrous and propane tanks are pressure vessels and I'm quite sure a hazmat endorsement is not a question. Neither coal or water fall under the hazardous categories.
Trying to convince a member of the "Donut Patrol" that you are engaged in agricultural work might be an interesting situation. If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with B.S., and Lippy sure knows how to do that! Do some serious research before hitting the open road with your engine. Might be less expensive in the long run.
Coal smoke smells good in the N.D. air....get the hint??
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Go figure....here in Michigan, we are legal to haul the 12 ft wide Reeves down the road because it is pulled by the Steiger Tiger-about 16 ft wide itself....now if they are really looking & see the forestry tires on it...she's awful heavy to fit ground, but pulling the pans it is fine. We had pulled the Reeves over to the elevator to weigh it.



We've had issues locally with hauling farm commodities with semis...one local farmer threatened to put all of their crops in old hopper wagons and haul to the elevator...at nearly 1000 acres of corn...that would be a LOT of loads with wobbling wagons.....they won that debate.

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Old 03-16-2008, 10:06:15 PM
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I do indeed get the hint, My Bro and I do intend on using our engines the way they were meant, the portable will be put on the mill in Nowthen,,, http://www.nowthenthreshing.com/ Minnesota where it will do its thing, This portable is very powerful so I believe will be quite interesting to see being used for the task it was designed for,, the roader will have plenty of opportunity to stretch her legs, but I guess the trip to ND by road might be too much for man , the machine is more than up to the task, having said that we will definately consider invitations to attend other shows.
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Dan, you shouldn't have any problems in Mn, Iowa, etc. Agriculture is still king here. Now if you go to states too far East or West, the state laws might prohibit it
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Old 03-17-2008, 08:08:02 AM
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Dan,

Your question reminds me of an incident I was involved in a few years back. On one of our fall steam-up's we were running Kara's steam truck down about a mile or so pass our place and back. After having a ditch fire started from one of the runs, we shut the truck down. As we had already shut the truck down one of the concerned "city slickers" that had recently moved into this more rural area of living felt the need to call the long arm of the law to come visit us.

I explained to the two young deputy sheriff’s that we had already shut the truck down due to starting the ditch fire and I had assisted in extinguishing the fire before it had gotten out of control. There beef with me wasn't so much with starting the fire but rather why the truck was on the road in the first place and they wanted to see plates. I told them what it was and how it was built and that, according to DMV, it wasn't considered a vehicle due to the fact that I was hand firing it. They wanted to see paperwork expressing this opinion from the DMV. I didn't have a copy of it. So when I went back to the DMV they couldn't and wouldn't provide me with a written statement of what they had told me earlier.

So of to St. Paul went my request along with photos of the truck. The DMV determined that they wouldn't license it and they wouldn't allow it on the road. So as Lippy pointed out, there are always ways around the bureaucrats.....you just need to be creative. Since the builder of this fine example of American ingenuity had the foresight to obtain a title for his home built truck in South Dakota, I just simply applied for a copy of the title and took that back to the DMV whom gave me plates for my wife's truck. Now we have plates and there isn't a darn thing they can do about it. The whole reason I wanted to be exempt in the first place. We don't typically take the truck on the road and I was going to have to carry car insurance and keep up tabs on it. Guess I wanted to prove a point. So, in a way, they sort of won too!

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And we over here think we are over regulated... No problems here. We had an old boy called Fred Dibnah, who was a steeplejack but really a steam nut. He made a lot of TV programs and took his engine with living van all over England including the Forth Road Bridge, with special permission but no escort.

Some people are spoilsports.

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Old 03-17-2008, 03:58:03 PM
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Hi Trevor, Thanks for your post, I am familiar with the regulations in UK and there are no comparisons, the USA is still far more relaxed, I have no doubt I will get the necessary permission to drive on the roads, and if i don't well I will still continue to road'em. someone needs to take a stand when it comes to big brother, or perhaps more accurately, big bully....
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It gets even stranger than state-to-state. Over in SW Michigan, we have different county issues on overwidth vehicles (Ag or otherwise). One county has us get a permit, the next one has us get a "THIS IS NOT A PERMIT" moving log (it actually says this on the 'permit'. Have to get them at least 24 hrs in advance. Just another way to get their $35.00. On the other hand, both counties usually look the other way if you are really a farm vehicle, so the only ones normally affected are the commercial types, ie; excavaters etc. Do your 'Due Diligence' and hope for the best.
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P.S. Several years ago I happened to be in Enid, OK., and noticed that the Interstate signs on the entrance ramps that list prohibitted vehicles did NOT list farm vehicles. In fact I saw many fields that the only way into them was via a drive and gate off the side of the highway. Made sense there, big no-no here.
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When we had our Nichols hauled in from Alberta, Illinois did not require any over width permits because it is still considered agricultural equipment. That was several years ago, don't know now.

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I wish you the best of luck on roading your engine, I don't have any idea what your engine weighs. I did take mine on the road a few times, with rubber on the back. I did get a nasty gram from the state once, the rear wheels left a slight mark at the edge of the sholder, the state wanted to fine me 10K per foot of damanged roadway. On some county roads the black top would crack under the weight of the engine. There is more to think about that laws. If you have the SMV triangle on your engine stay under 25MPH, there is a nasty fine for that too.
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