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1920 Titan 10-20 Restoration


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Default 1920 Titan 10-20 Restoration

I don't post much, but I'd like to mention this group is first class. Can't think of anyone else I'd want to share my new project with. In the next several months (I hope), I'd like to have this old Titan 10-20 up and running for next years plowing. I do not plan on painting her, just want her running like a sewing machine. I've spent most my life playing with F-series tractors, so this is a wonderful and exciting leap for me. I'll have plenty of questions (I already have a few) and I'm sure you guys will point me in the right direction. Now for the details...

This tractor came out of Iowa. I recently picked it up from a great friend (Sloroll), who had already tore the tractor down to it's current state. The Titan seems to have little wear, but unfortunately has sat out, I'm guessing for 50 to 60 years, in the weather. I'd like to pull the flywheel and clutch hub so I can finish dis-assembly of the motor and have the crank ground. I like to do things the right way, but don't want to bust a flywheel either. The grease in all the cups is like cement. A few broken wheel parts and a bent front axle. I always enjoy reading everyone's restoration projects so I'll start my new one here. Now, any tips on removing the flywheel?? Thanks guys.









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A couple of the wheels issues I'll have to address.







And I've already removed the belt pulley (with some extra lifting help from friends).

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Wow, well other than a big puller or press of some type, that's a toughie. You can's use much heat I would think......

Good stuff on the friend assist! Thanks Sloroll!
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Default Re: 1920 Titan 10-20 Restoration

Well, I got a leg up from another fellow on this site too. I was falling way behind on the Titan and Sprout promised I could play with it whenever I wanted. I am going to hold him to it. All the fun and none of the fuss.
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A few more pictures...







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Default Re: 1920 Titan 10-20 Restoration

The front axle of the Titan we are restoring was bent just the same way. With some heat, a big hammer and an anvil it was straightened out in no time. As for the flywheel removal: better not attach the puller to the pully holes but as close as possible to the hub (but I guess you knew that already). Be sure to check the gearbox (Jeff knows what I mean).

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I have the same thing with the front axle same bend and side. And make sure you check the bull gear some of them do have problems.
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Lookin good hope everything goes good with her yep those belt pulleys are heavy have to have those friends come and help ya take the rest of the heavy stuff off (strong backs and weak minds)
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Default Re: 1920 Titan 10-20 Restoration

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I'd like to pull the flywheel and clutch hub so I can finish dis-assembly of the motor and have the crank ground.
Have you mic'd the crankshaft throws? Unless the journals are way out of round there's no need for grinding........

By the way.......if you ( or anyone else) have need of the aluminum magneto base I have one I'll GIVE you for the cost of packing and shipping.
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Thanks for all the replies and suggestions guys. I tore some more the the Titan down tonight. I was curious to see how the main babbited bearings looked. I removed the upper bearing and bracket to find plenty of shims, and the babbit to be in good shape. I hope the bottom side looks as good.








A good pile of shims per side.





I'm having a blast with this old girl. Marcel and Jeff, thanks for the heads up on the bull gear. I'm assuming I can inspect the bull gear through the lower inspection cover? I'm still up in the air what to do with the transmission at this point. My current priority has been the engine. My buddy might have a straight front axle for me, so time will decide on what I do.

I'd like to replace the gasket between the block and the crankcase. Anyone have suggestions where one can be located. Otherwise, I'll have Olson's Gasket make me one. Thanks guys.

Craig I will take you up on your mag base. I'm not sure if I have one at this point. If I don't use it, I will find someone that can.

Craig here......it'll be on the way Thursday.....
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You should be able to see through the inspection cover also check all the counter shafts in the trans there all Babbitt and I have to repour all mine the shafts are good but the Babbitt is worn and have lots of up & down play and that’s what possibly caused the bull gear to break along with other things .
Your Mains look good from what I can see mine had a pitted rust line from water seeping under the bearing cap and mine the rod journals were in mint condition.
The gasket between the block and the crankcase just make your own with gasket material and put a sealant on it and you will be good.
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Default Re: 1920 Titan 10-20 Restoration

Jeff is right.
We dealt with that on another Titan and MY Titan has that same issue.......
We suspended the cylinder block from a hoist , made sure the pistons were far forward and just pulled the block away from the crankcase enough to remove the old gasket. We slit the new gasket at top center (to get it past the connection rods) and "glued" it on with "Indian Head" gasket goop and bolted it back on.......
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In a few more days, I'd like to have the block removed from the crankcase. I removed the upper crankcase and camshaft this evening. Still have a lot of clean-up work to be completed, and inspect that transmission. At least I'm getting closer to the assembly part of the engine rebuild. Thanks for all the help guys. Once I get the pistons/rods all cleaned up, I will check the piston/sleeve clearance and see where I'm at with that. So far, my babbits all seem in good shape with plenty of shims.







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Default Re: 1920 Titan 10-20 Restoration

Some of you witnessed the original post from Sloroll, but I figured I'd post a picture of what the Titan (affectionately named "Buster") looked like before we started tearing her down.

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Your project sure brings back nice memories. I basically did the same thing you are doing to my Titan. Took lots of documenting pictures and posted them onto what was then a website called Photopoint. Then the hard drive crashed in my shop computer and I lost them all. Then the Photopoint web site suddenly shut down with no notice. Since then I've learned what backup to cd means.
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Looking good Sprout. Hope everything keeps going good for you on her.
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Not much progress tonight. Removed the lower coolant pipes and oil lines from the block. Tried separating the block from the crankcase with no luck. Seems the block is hanging up on the alignment pegs.
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Default Re: 1920 Titan 10-20 Restoration

What is the serial no of your Titan Sprout I am about 3 week ahead of you on my 10-20 No. 45414. Mine came in parts i think i have it all what is there is good the engine block was badly cracked so i have that repaired. I am starting the slow rebuild so your photos are very helpful to me.
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Kevin nice Titan. LOL, I'm thinking you are at that point when parts start going back on. Here's the Titan S/N:

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Where all is the SN stamped on the 10-20's?
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