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1920 Titan 10-20 Restoration


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Old 11-22-2009, 10:29:47 AM
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Mike, the one I have pictured was found on the engine. It's located on the flywheel side and is a raised area. Here is another picture showing the location.

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It's Thanksgiving night and I had some "one-on-one time" with Buster this evening. I separated the pistons from the rods with no problems. I'll have the pistons cleaned up and measured for wear by the end of the weekend.





Finally was able to get the block removed from the crankcase. I guess after 90 years that block grew pretty attached, and did not want to budge. After many days of soaking and prying, I finally won the war.






I plan on having my local shop dip the block. If the clearance between the sleeves and the pistons are within tolerance, then I will hone the cylinders and install new rings. So far the pistons look good, but you just never know until things are cleaned up and measured. I'll keep my fingers crossed in the mean time.

The month of December will result in removing the flywheel and clutch hub. My clutch is froze up and will not slide. The crank journals have some unacceptable wear to them and need some grinding. I have a great shop which can handle crankshafts up to seven feet in length. They do great work and I've used them for almost 15 years now. Soon it will be time to tear into the transmission.

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More pictures. This will give you an idea how carboned up the pistons are. The rings were wore very thin on one side.







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Looking very good!
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Well, yesterday I took the block and pistons to my local machine shop. I apologize, but forgot to take pictures of the cylinders when I cleaned them up. Found some nasty wear ridges in both cylinders. For the next three days, the block will sit in the dip tank getting a nice heated bath. Pretty sure the cylinders will have to be sleeved. The pistons will be glass bead blasted soon enough, for final cleanup.

Since I'm new to all these oilers and grease cups, I have a question. The bottom portion of the oiler, that sits above the countershaft gear, has the bottom snapped off. I was lucky enough to have the rest of the oiler with the tractor. I found where I can get new sight glasses and gaskets. Does anyone reproduce the bottom piece which is broken on mine? How would you guys approach this fix?

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I also started rebuilding the decompression valves. Just too much wear for me. Nothing like a little valve grinding compound and readjustment to make them like new again. This is what they looked like when I took them apart.








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The best bet for the oiler repair would be to find a parts donor. Ihc used that style oiler on the SideShaft of the earlier Mogul engines. I have seen that oiler with a different flipper but the rest of it the same.Later 1's have Detroit Lube stamped in the top. A little looking in some junk boxes at a show should find a replacement. thanks for posting the pic of the oiler Now I know that I need 1 for my Tractor.Rob
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Default Re: 1920 Titan 10-20 Restoration

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What is the diameter of that oiler at the top glass? Also what thread at the base. Is it 1/4" NP or ??. I have a few oilers and I have a friend close by here who has a box full of assorted sizes. I may be able to get you one.
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Phil, I measured that oiler a few weeks ago and now lost my measurements. I'll go out later this evening and get you those measurements, thanks.
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What is the diameter of that oiler at the top glass? Also what thread at the base. Is it 1/4" NP or ??. I have a few oilers and I have a friend close by here who has a box full of assorted sizes. I may be able to get you one.
Phil, I went out and measured. The glass diameter is 1.5 inches. The threaded base is 1/2 inch or 1/4 NPT.






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It wouldn't be too difficult to solder or braze a sleeve over the two broken pieces and redrill the sight holes. Or just braze/silver solder the two pieces together.
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Silver brazing would be a stronger repair and it would blend in better. Just not sure it's worth the trouble. Any oiler with a 1/4" pipe thread will be acceptable there.......
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The promised pictures of the block and pistons at the machine shop.







One of the machines they will use to polish up the crank at a later date.


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Pictures of the pistons. Note the pile of carbon between the pistons. That was removed from the inner cavity of the one piston.







My son really enjoys his time with Dad at the shop. He's even a pretty popular customer with the guys.



The block will soak for another three or four days. They have to remove the studs and want to prevent breakage as much as they can.
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Wow, now that I have seen the "after" picture of the pistons, I understand how much carbon was in them! And it looks like there is still a large amount left!
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Who makes a good reproduction fenders for these Titan 10-20's? I'd like to find a couple sets of the wide fenders for Sloroll and myself. I've heard of Robert LeFever before, but have not been able to contact him or have the wrong number. Any help would be great.
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Sprout, my friend, who has the oilers, can't get at them right now as his shed is buried in snow! I was over there yesterday. I have another source to check out in the next couple of days.
Robb McCollum in my area makes repro fenders, but he may be too far away for you, especially for shipping. He has a nicely restored 10-20 that he and his Dad did.
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Robert LeFever Is the one you want Craig A may have his number.
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LeFever is at 717*548*4131

Another maker who MIGHT make Titan fenders WAS TIRED IRON FARM: MERLE HOLDERMAN: BRISTOL IN: PHONE 574*848*4628

I bought fenders and a hood for a 1927 JD D I once owned from Tired Iron and while I'm not insanely fussy....... ....... I was very pleased.

You might want to read thread as well........especially the last post: http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51417
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Unka Craig, I thought we wasn't s'posed to post phone numbers on the forums?

Craig here: Those are business numbers.......
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