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1920 Titan 10-20 Restoration


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The Titan is finally down to the bare frame. Once the frame is sanded and painted things start going back together. Another personal milestone has been met.

A while back, I noticed a crack in the upper transmission housing that disappeared under the frame rail. I've been wanting to get the transmission dropped so I can check the extent of the damage.



The crack stopped just under the frame rail and does not appear to be anything major.



A naked Titan...



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The left rear wheel bearings were so wore, the wheel actual wore into the frame and brake assembly.





The deck has seen much better days.



One of those neat little finds tonight. I found raised lettering on the frame which states, "Jones & Laughlin". Initial research shows the company to be a steel company with family ties to IHC.

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Anyone have a source for this fabric styled brake and clutch material?


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McMaster-Carr will have more kinds than you will want to choose from.

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Thanks Paul. I had checked McMaster-Carr website, but their illiustrations are lacking which makes it hard to tell if they sell the same type of product or not.
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Brake & Clutch supply, Seattle Washington has it.
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The stuff you want is the Semimetallic Strips.

http://www.mcmaster.com/#brake-lining/=5tz2ui

Don't get any ideas that "heavier is better"........get the same as the original if you want things to fit......
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Paul and Craig, thanks for the information and I will order up the strips along with some rivets. Matt, if I screw it up, I'll be sending everything to Brake & Clutch Supply and have them reline everything.

Any suggestions on a good adhesive? I'd like to use adhesive along with the rivets to save myself some headaches with these linings. Thanks.

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Good idea about adhesive.......

I like a good contact adhesive......but you have ONE shot to get it right.......
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I always set personal goals or better stated, milestones, in any of my restorations/rebuilds. My first milestone was to remove the flywheel and clutch hub from the crankshaft. My second milestone was to strip "Buster" down to her bare frame. As a side note, it should be noted all my tractors are referred to as her or she . Anyway, with both those milestones reached I'm ready to tackle my third milestone, which happens to be the rear wheel bearings. I'll discuss what I think are my options, and you guys can guide me if you will.

My axle shaft is highly wore and should be 2.75 inches in diameter. The wheel hub has an inner diameter of 3.75 inches. One option is to build up and have the axle shaft ground to specifications. I could also have a new axle shaft made if the metal stock is available and if it would be a cheaper alternative versus having the machine work of building up the old shaft. If available, then match up new wheel bearings that would fit the listed dimensions. I've heard it's next to impossible to find the correct size bearing, but have not tried myself. The other option is to have bronze bearings made to fit or rebuild the original roller bearings since my cages appear to be in good shape. The wheels are to big to have the hub machined unless I remove the hub from the wheel itself. That's nothing I want to deal with at this point. I will add the original roller bearings are 5.25 inches in length and the axle shaft can be easily removed from the axle housing. Your thoughts?



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Default Re: 1920 Titan 10-20 Restoration

Hi,
this thread is really great. I'm also restoring a Titan Tractor and I have the same problems you have!
My axle shaft is also worn out and the roller bearings are in very bad condition. I tried to find roller bearings similar to the original ones here in Italy but I had no luck. Soo I'm building new bronze bearings that goes inside the wheel cages.

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Default Re: 1920 Titan 10-20 Restoration

Lightweight Hart Parr wheels are ALL bronze bushed and if greased the way they should be last practically forever.
If NOT properly lubricated they wear out along with the axles and spindles too.
So whether you go with roller bearings or bushings the outcome is going to be the same.
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The last Titans used babbitt bearings in the rear wheels. The thing that sucks about the roller bearings is that IHC didn't use an outer race, just ran the bearing in the casting. If they had used an outer race, replacing the flat roller bearings would be pretty easy. They are available new through Motion INdustries, a distributor for Berliss Bearings, www.berliss.com . I was lucky enough to find good used bearings for mine and the hubs for my wheels are not worn badly. My axle is worn and I have a piece of 4140 stressproof to make a new one out of.
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Joe, for the last two days I've been on the phone with Motion Industries and they are having difficulty finding those bearings. You wouldn't happen to have a bearing number would you? You've been a great help, thanks.
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It's easy to fabricate the bearings. I first bored the wheels from my Titan, fitted a new axle and made bearings with slightly thicker needles.

Thanks for your updates, really interesting to follow this kind of restorations!

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Update on the rear axle. I removed the axle from the axle housing this evening. I discovered significant wear that I was not able to see before. At this point I'm thinking making a new shaft is my best option.

IHC blueprints show the metal content in the rear axle to have up to 40% carbon. With help from others and Joe Prindle, the axle has been identified as medium carbon steel. I see a new axle being made in the near future. Now to find some suitable steel







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This is an intesting read on repairing the rear axle. the 10-20 Titan is a slow tractor will not be used for work all day. could you get by just useing it like it is and grease it up good?
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I wish I could Bob, but the wheels had so much slop they were cutting into the frame and brake system.
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How about using the old weld and grind to size trick?

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Elden, I don't have a lathe big enough for this rear axle. I'm thinking it would be cheaper to have a new axle made in comparison to the weld/grinding costs of the shop rate.
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