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Here's a representative of the 30-50/39-57.

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About the only change in them seems to be the rating on the serial number plate after the Nebraska tests.
Pretty sure one or 2 of these just left my neighbors farm and now resides in Illinois
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I need to replace the four decals on my 35-70 cab.I am looking the early style decal not the MTMC decal. Does anyone have a clear copy that I could use to make new ones. Any help would be appreciated. R612
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Default Re: Official Minneapolis Threshing Machine Company Thread

I have an older owner's list of the 30-50's and 39-57's. If you don't mind, pm me the new locations or other info if you have it so I can keep the list more or less up to date.

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Dwight give me a ring I might be a ble to help.


I need to replace the four decals on my 35-70 cab.I am looking the early style decal not the MTMC decal. Does anyone have a clear copy that I could use to make new ones. Any help would be appreciated.
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I just went through all of our catalogues, we have every sales catalogue from 1912, when the MTM company introduced their first Farm Motor through to 1920, then we skip to 1922 then run up to 1927 before missing the 1928 catalogue. Unfortunately, we do not have the parts book for these tractors which would be of help...maybe. The flat brace appears for the first time in the 1920 catalogue. It may have been introduced with the valve in head engine which appears for the first time in 1919. I would think each of these changes occur during the year prior to the new catalogue as they would have had to have done some of their research and development before producing their catalogue. The 1920 catalogue is also the first reference to the 35-70 and the 40-80 disappears. There is also a change in the frame design that appears about this time. I have attached images from the 1919 and 1920 catalogue to illustrate those changes. Other changes appear in the 1923/24 catalogues as well and also the return of the angled front brace.

I have attached images of the 1913 trademark from the front of their catalogue in which the 40-80 is introduced. I have also attached the image from the last catalogue I have that shows the 35-70 in 1927. I do not have the 1928 catalogue but do have the 1929 and the 35-70 is no longer in that catalogue. You can see the different trademark used on the cab for that one. The 1924 catalogue still illustrates something more along the line of the older style trademark, the 1925 catalogue appears to introduce the new design.

Now you can try and read into this what you want but it appears to me; that the 35-70 is a valve in head unit except for the first few that may have been built, they were still called a 40-80; the angle brace changed to a flat brace and back again; the 40-80 was built until 1919 with a flat head type design. There were many changes over the years and who can really be sure when they happen and for what reasons. I am aware of companies that had different engineers over the years that would tweek and twist on designs...some were failures others successful. Perhaps we see some of that in the catalogue illustrations over the years for the Minneapolis Farm Motors (yes, later they are referred to as tractors in their catalogues)

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Just something to note...the re-rating of the tractor occurs prior to the testing of 1647 as there is no reference in the Nebraska tests to a 40-80. It was a valve in head machine.
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I have an older owner's list of the 30-50's and 39-57's. If you don't mind, pm me the new locations or other info if you have it so I can keep the list more or less up to date.

Thanks,

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I wish I had more info for you. I'm not even sure what model they were. I got the info from my uncle, what he told me was the old guy sold 2 Minneapolis "Moline" steam engines to a guy in Illinois for $75k a piece. Now I know he didn't have all of his info right after some research I've done.... Of course his info was 2nd hand info, so I guess that would make mine 3rd hand...

Now I'm just guessing as to what they were, I seen the one being loaded up last fall, and I keep kicking myself for not stopping to chat. But it was being loaded onto a gooseneck behind a 1-ton dually Ford.

Hopefully this spring if/when it dries up around here I can stop by and talk to the old guy. He has tractors laying around everywhere, and 4-5 sheds full of stationary engines, and tractors...
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Here are a few photos for Andrew of a 20-40 MTM. It is kept a museum near Roblin, Manitoba. It is said to be a 1916 vintage and was used from new in the Russell, Manitoba area, breaking sod and threshing as late as 1941. Wendel's gives the bore and stroke as 5.75 by 7 on the 4 cylinder, horizontal motor. Andrew has a pic of the motor earlier in this thread. There are very few of this size left - perhaps AM can fill us in with more info?
It is a fine looking tractor and runs at their show. The museum is sited on several acres and has plenty of buildings and a lot of stuff to see. Not sure when they have their show? Special thanks to Tim Searson for permission to use the pictures! My picture cap is running low so that accounts for the smaller format!
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G., are you able to make out the number on the front of the chassis in your copy of the first photo?

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Serial # is 1395.
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Thanks G. Interesting that the three surviving 20-40s that have come to light so far are all in Canada.

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Thanks G. Interesting that the three surviving 20-40s that have come to light so far are all in Canada.

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Where is the third one in Canada? I know of this one and one at the South Peace Centennial Museum. I know of two in the States. One being at Albany and the other one may be in Indiana or Ohio, I cannot remember for sure.
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The third one in Canada I know of is #1323 at the Western Development Museums' North Battleford branch (see pic below).

Do you have any more details or photos of the two in the States?

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The one came from John Tysse,

Picture borrowed from Craig, I don't think he'll mind

I'm sure Joe P can chime in a little about their 20-40.
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David,
It seems that most of the surviving prairie tractors came out of use in Western Canada. I suppose they were a longer distance from the scrap yards and possibly, if they were still in operating condition by WW2, they escaped the scrap drives. Seems like, from what I have heard, the patriotic scrap drives in the US were a little more aggressive. It is amazing how many traction engines survived in Ontario for instance - many were still earning their keep threshing and in saw mills at war time and were deemed essential!
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The South Peace Centennial Museum in Alberta have very kindly provided me with a number for their tractor - it is #1303, which makes it the earliest of the three recorded so far, and I think it dates to around 1918.

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I have a few pieces including the SN plate of # 1374.Does anyone know when the model 15 became the 15-30 and what differnce there was in these tractors.When did the rad change from tube type to conventional,and were gas manifolds available on the 12-28 or just the 15/ 15-30.
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The South Peace Centennial Museum in Alberta have very kindly provided me with a number for their tractor - it is #1303, which makes it the earliest of the three recorded so far, and I think it dates to around 1918.

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That one is four tractors after my 40-80, which is a 1918, so you are thinking correctly on the year.
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It's been a while since this thread was used , but i would like some input. Last May we bought 35/70 serial #1677. It has a long canopy, that seems to be a factory looking extension, which covers the engine and reaches just to the rear of the radiator. We've been told that this is a construction model. I got the original literature with the tractor, and it shows nothing about this. Can anybody shed some light on this? Thanks....ED
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Ed, I've never seen anything about these tractors referenced in literature, so I'm not sure that it had a designation as a construction model. Regardless of what its called, it is a very rare option that I have only seen one other example of(Of about 30 40-80s/35-70s I've seen total). http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showpo...50&postcount=3

I had always been told that the tractors where the engine rotates counter clockwise when facing the belt pulley were called road tractors or contractors specials. I have came to a conclusion that they were just the first 35-70s, and the road tractor or contractor's tractor designations are just fabrications. The single speed, counter clockwise engines were the only variety of "Big Minneapolis" that was built from 1920 to 1921 or 1922, then the two speed transmission was reintroduced as an option, and was made standard equipment again by 1925.

Looks like I need to get some pictures back in this thread. Do you have any pictures of your new tractor, Ed?

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