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Old 12-01-2011, 09:14:58 PM
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Greetings,
A new find found its way home today. It is a 20-30 Wallis. It was only about 20 minutes (an hour and half with food stops) from home and was evidently always a local tractor!
When I first started going to shows many years ago, there were always a couple of Wallis tractors at every show and I always thought they were quite a nice outfit. There don't seem to be many coming out anymore and I was very happy to get this one. Thanks a million to good friend Harold K for all his help.
The chap I got it from says it is about a 1928. It has a Massey-Harris tag on the front just below the radiator and looks to have had the M-H name painted on the hood. Serial number is #63153. Does anyone have data on these?
Pictures - before loading; unloading at home; motor; operator's.
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The chap said he used to run it at local ploughing matches and I believe him to be a straight talker. It is stuck but hopefully from sitting in the shed. In fact, there is a surface rust everywhere. It will have to be opened up. The only other faults are a nasty sknorx on one fender where something has got jammed between the fender and a lug and a broken casting on the front pedestal that should be an easy braze.
- pictures - fender sknorx; broken casting; in shed; motor hand holes.
Anyone have experience with these tractors? What should I be watching for as I open her up?
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Old 12-01-2011, 09:28:07 PM
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The front screens for the radiator were off the tractor but they were still in the shed, luckily. I think this is going to be a real pleasure to work on and restore!
The air breather pipe is swung down along the motor and he did that so it wouldn't get smacked in the shed.
Oh? French & Hecht wheels - is that factory?
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Finally, some of the old timers (and there are a few on here!) will get this - it occurs to me now that I have a Wallis tractor and a Beaver tractor. So that must make "Wally and the Beav"!
Actually, the chap I got it from's first name is Wallace (Wally)!
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I definitely didn't get that... had to ask my dad.. not saying he's an oldtimer or anything..
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congradulations on your new Wallis, to try and answer a few of your questions from another Wallis owner.

A few things to look for when getting it loosened up, a common problem on these when they have been sitting and then loosened up is that the oil pump if it has rusted up, the shaft driving it will break when the engine is turned. there is a small flat about 3/16" wide and 1/2" tall that drives the oil pump, and there is where the break usually occurs.

Another thing that is common on all other tractors also, but the wallis have somewhat weak valve rocker arms and pushrods. just be shure that they all move free before turning the engine over as I have heard of and seen several unlucky owners with broken valve parts even after sitting for only a few years.

F+H wheels are factory on the later tractors like this one.

As for serial numbers they started with the 15-27 at #50001 soon afterwards they renamed it a 20-30 changing nothing. the serial number split is about ~52000 or so. up untill ~56000 or so they were made by the J.I. Case plow works, after ~56000 or so they were manufactured by Massey Harris, and of coarse all of this is due to the purchase of the Plow Works by Massey. after Massey started producing the Wallis tractor they began to implement some new features such as F+H wheels, Kingston governor, a better oiling system, new style steering box as well as many other changes over the production years of the 20-30. Massey ended production of the 20-30 at 69000 according to the serial number guides. whether or not they actually made them up to 69000 I have no idea. Also there were many 20-30's sold with the Massey Harris name on them. They were mixed in with the Wallis so serial numbers are even more fogged. The Massey Harris 20-30's were designated for export to places such as Canada, Australia, and england. I have a Massey Harris 20-30 #66138.
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G,
You have a late 20-30 Wallis.
AKA,... Massey-Wallis from after the 1928 buyout.
They looked like yours into the early 30's and are a fun machine to run. A well engineered machine, and yours appears to be a good straight survivor!
We do not have it set in stone, but a 63153 should fall into the 1930 area???
These tractors were not properly pressure fed... They did have an oil pump, but it only delivered oil to the dipper trays to make puddles for the passing rods. Make sure the dipper trays are not pitted through so they will hold oil for the rods to dip in!
Also, no oil plumbing to the lightly built top end, so give her a good squirten before your let her up
I have a earlier Plow Works 20-30 and have studied Wallis a good bit. Very neat history here!
I will dig out some of my Wallis info post more if I got anything good.
Tony

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Onkel G,
What a nice Winter project! Congrats on acquiring the ol' girl, looks like a nice'n!

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I just had a 20-30 through my shop recently. It had many issues and is a parked project for now. The front bolster was broken exactly like yours and brazed up very nicely.

I have the smaller brother to yours the, the 12-20, #104014

They are very nice tractors.
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Here are a couple pictures of a few more things I forgot.

First is a picture of the spark plug wire ends. if you find some that look like these please dont throw them! most of the existing wallis tractors are missing these but they are in fact the original wire ends that wallis used. I looked for years to find a set and I have finally found one set to put on a wallis now only 6 more set's and I will have all my wallis' set up.



Also the second picture shows my remedy to the lack of original oil system to the valve rockers, it is a simple tap into the oil feed tube on the botom and ran up to the top with a valve to shut it off if need be. makes it really handy on the older ones where you need to remove a dozen bolts to remove the hood!

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congrats rick on picking up a wallis tractor.John
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Thanks for all the advice guys, that is great! it seems like everything is stuck just a little bit so it will be - go carefully for now!
TSeaberg - thanks for the advice on the oil pump! Also, Harold picked up one of those little spark plug ends laying on the trailer after we unloaded it!
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Well that didn't take you long! Last time I was over I remember you saying that you could probably fit another tractor in the shed after my old girl fit in the corner nicely.

Love those boiler plate designs, should be lots of fun to get going.
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I definitely didn't get that... had to ask my dad.. not saying he's an oldtimer or anything..
Well I've been telling him that he is no spring chicken anymore!
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Beautiful find!
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Eagles, Rumley, GSM, Gaar Scott...now a Wallis...hell you might as well go buy a JD now!!
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That is a nice straight tractor, great find! I got the chance to meet some Wallis gurus at our show this summer and learned a great deal about them as they were all buzzing around a rusty old 12-20 that I had bought at the shows' consignement sale. There are some interesting and unique features on these tractors that set them apart from others of that era and every show should have at least one running around!

Good news is that there are some dedicated Wallis guys out there that can help and one in particular that I met that makes just about every piece of sheet metal for you tractor. They gave me their contact info and I can dig it up if and when you decide to tear into your 20-30. I bought a 20-30 a few years back that is rough and the 12-20 just this past summer that is better but still rough. Cant wait to dig in but there are projects ongoing.

Please keep us all informed on the project, I hope the inside of that engine is as nice as the outside.

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Matt,
My thanx button is used up for now but thanks for writing and yes, it would be nice to have on-going contacts with Wallis owners.
And Bubbles, I did have a late model JD 'D' many years ago. It was kinda like the poor man's Oil Puke, that hit-hit-miss-miss stuff was hard on the nerves and on thresher belts!
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Rick,

Congratiulations with this wonderful original Wallis tractor.

It is a real beauty.

No problem that you have went thru your thanks button, i also have went a lot of times thru it.

Keep posting.

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Had a chance to dig out some of my old hand written files on Wallis stuff to get you some numbers. In an effort to stop the correct police from jumping all over me I will use words like "around" or "about" when offering my poorly spelled record keeping.
The Wallis model K shows up about 1918-1922 bearing serial numbers of around 14000 or 15000? to 23000 or so? These would crank start at the belt pulley with steering box in front.
This would become the OK (sometimes called 15-27)? in about 1922 at roughly 23000 or just after. These would crank start at the front with steering box in front.
I kept a few serial numbers that I have seen...23200-26000 to around 1925...I have not seen any with higher numbers than that?
In about 1925 the serial tag at the front reading 15-27 turns up with serial numbers starting at 50000. The oldest one I have seen is 50017 and the newest I have written down is 51415 in 1926? These tractors now had a steering box on the side.
For 1927 and 1928 the rating jumps to 20-30 (plow works 20-30) with serial numbers starting at 52000. The oldest one I have recorded is 52262 and the newest is 56196.
Massey Harris buys the Racine Wi. Plow Works factory in late 1928 and continues the 20-30 with a few changes and some different parts suppliers. The Massey-Wallis 20-30 appear to run from 1929 into 1933 with the oldest number I have recorded 56635 to the newest I have at 68654.
The side steering box was updated to look like Uncle G's at about 58000?
The Wallis design was very well done. They are a good tractor with some unique features like the lightweight rolled boiler plate frame/oil pan combo.
I hope no one wants to know what color they were...I did a lot of research on that too...it is a long story involving a half dozen colors Green and gray were the most common.
This tractor would evolve into the Massey 25 in 1933 at number 69001.
Let us know what you fid out on yours G, and thanks for the great pictures!
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