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Early 1919 Twin City Rescued From Long Sleep


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Old 01-03-2012, 03:00:05 PM
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Is that a gas tank under the hood, and if so is that where it is suppose to be? My tractors block #11790 where should my gas tank be?

Alan,
You have one of the few surviving early borg & Beck 12-20s!

Your small gas starting tank should be under the hood just like mine. Mine is very good if you need measurments.

Starting tank locations...
1918, Horizontal mount behind main fuel tank to serial number 10707.
1919, Horizontal mount under front right of hood serial number 10707 - 17034.
Late production 12-20s from 17035 to end have the starting tank mounted vertically behind main fuel tank.

The engine serial numbers come-and-go from close to chassis numbers ( maybe 20 digits?) and then far away from chassis numbers (maybe 100 or more?).
I think they went into engine testing rooms and storage rooms, (I have pictures of this) and then came out in reverse order to be used. This would explain the jump in serial order
You and Phil should get going on your baby twin cams and we can have all of them documented here on the Stak
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Old 01-03-2012, 10:43:08 PM
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I'm back on mine again! Took fenders, hood and underhood tank specifications to Robb McCollum the other day so the sheet metal components for Rick's 12-20 and mine will soon be ready. I'm going to be assembling the engine tomorrow.
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Tony,
EXCELLENT survivor find there! Just a beauty. Good luck with her and I can't wait for more news.

Corey
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Tony, Justin Click should have one flat hub 8 spoke wheel, at least he said he does as he said he scrapped the Borg Beck I was supposed to get from him. I purchased a matching one for it and Kent McMaken has it.
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High Roller,
The Clickster is always watching... If he has an 8 spoke TC front and wants to sell it, he will call me.
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Tony:
As time permits how about some more pictures of the plow. Is it an Oliver 100 automatic?
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Old 01-05-2012, 11:25:17 PM
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Good idea Mark,
I have not had time to even touch the plow, but it is restorable and did come with the tractor.
Back to the tractor...
I was very worried when I found all the mice traffic in this engine. I had terrible visions of stuck pistons and shot valves from mice urine.
Well I got more good news!
The engine was a storage unit for the peach pits and bird seed. The pesky little critters were living and peeing somewhere else! I put diesel in the cylinders before I trailered it home and had it loose in minutes after pulling the head.
First picture shows it rolling over again and cylinder walls look great.
Second picture shows cylinder head looking good as well. The valves all slid out with a few light taps with a brass drift.
Third picture is on-going teardown.
More to come.
Tony
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Default Re: Early 1919 Twin City Rescued From Long Sleep

2nd pic, I noticed an early Alemite grease fitting on the tie rod end. Are all those original ones on the tractor. Most are on my 12-20, and my 12-20 Wallis has all it's originals and the original grease gun to fit them.
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Hi Phil,
Very interesting that we have 3 resto threads going for 12-20 Twin City tractors right now!

My understanding for Alemite grease guns and fittings is that they were aftermarket or a supplier option.
The early baby twin cams did not come with them from the factory. They used a variety of sizes of screw-down grease cups from front-to-rear and top-to-bottom.

The Alemite replacements show up on agricultural and automotive applications and I think they are a nice bit of history if you have a whole set along with a proper grease gun.

My tractor has two incorrect Alemites and one modern
check-ball-zerk. The rest are all cups. My neighbor showed up the other day with a fistfull of old timmey grease cups. I will get them all back on as I go. Even the water pump packing shafts used tiny grease cups.
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Phil and Tony,
Interesting topic on the alemite grease fittings, I can't comment on the Twin City but I do know the 12-20 Massey's which came new to our place all had them fitted and guns supplied in the toolkit. I still have several of them around on the shelf but we all tend to use the more common fitting now on our tractors, we call them grease nipples here in UK is it a zerk your side of the pond?

Malcolm.

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We call them grease nipples too.
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Malcolm & Rick,
If an eager young gent uses the word "nipple" here in the states, you can bet he is dreaming of something completely different than a grease fitting
Across the hillbilly hometown USA they are a grease zerk or grease fitting most of the time.

Malcolm,
When was the 12-20 Wallis produced?
I cant believe so many collectors miss the time frame. One of the reasons I like The TC twin cam series is the fact that they were so far ahead of their time. What was available in 1918 and 1919 when this unit frame, 3 plow tractor with all gears running in oil, powered by a 340 ci. twin cam-16-valve-inline four cylinder was already in the dirt?...not Alemite nipples!
1918 and 1919...grease cups it was.
These little TCs had worked a few years before the 12-20 Wallis was even concieved. The Alemite fitting was popular for a while. Many machines have them. They just may not be right for certain applications that were produced before the Alemite fitting was.
I do like Wallis tractors though
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In polite Upper Canada society, one would annunciate it as "the grease fitting" or perhaps as "the lubrication point". Ony the rougher, oil-bespeckled Oil Puke lads could call them nipples!
More manly Eagle tractor types cheerfully twist down their grease cups! The only time nipples came into play was when you reached over the top of the motor to twist down the main bearing cups and got things tangled up in the rocker arms!
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In post ''48 I mentioned my 12-20 had the Alemite fittings as my Wallis does. What I meant to refer to was my Case C. It is 1930 the same as the Wallis. Those fittings came into common use around '28/'29. My '29 Stutz had them also.

My TC 12-20 has all grease cups as Tony has said.
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Could someone post a picture of an Alemite fitting.

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Alemite is still a branded name but this is what people think of when talking about Alemite fittings.

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modern ones are a zerk here
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On the subject of Alamite fittings my Rumely still had its full set of alamites and then and only then I discovered that when new they came with a spring loaded cover, as at least 70% still had them on,and interestingly when the covers they were fitted to were removed there was a small amount of white grease and absolutely no other colour grease so I am certain the poor old girl never got any grease of any kind put through all those bewt Alamite fittings untill I have done this resteration,
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This baby TC was ordered new in early 1919 with an Oliver three bottom plow. The well cared for tractor stayed in the same family all its life and the plow was still taking a 38 year long nap with its old friend when I burst in and woke them up.
I do not know what model the 3-14 rope trip is, but it has a rather buisy mechanical clutch lift and I have TC photos showing this very same plow behind 12-20s in 1918 and 1919.
The rear wheel is broken off and I am missing one coulter with the unusual hollow cast iron body between the standard and the rolling blade. The shears, mouldboards and drawbar are good.
Twin City did not make their own plow in the teens and were marketing Oliver units to go with their tractors for some time.
I would like to secure a coulter for this plow and any information that any of you have about this model.
Thanks everyone!
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That is a real nice plow with an unique lifting system, It is also unique finding a tractor with an original plow always used together their whole lives, I hope you keep them together!
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