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1893 Dayton Serial #3 Outside for 101 Years


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Old 02-08-2012, 05:20:46 PM
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Default 1893 Dayton Serial #3 Outside for 101 Years

I'v been ask this question a lot this winter, How the Dayton coming??? and for those who don't know the story, here you go.

This engine was sold at auction in 1966 In Dayton Oh. and sold to the late Dr. John Wilcox for 275.00 at that time was a lot of money to pay for old rusty engine that was stuck and in bad shape. The story that John got was they could not get the engine to run 1909, and so it was pushed up next to a building in the Apple orchard where the engine had been running a Cider press sense new. John took the engine home and refused to put the engine in one of his building. He always said it's been outside this long whats a few more years going to hurt. Every time I would go visit John we would always walk out and look at it, and about every other year I would say to John it was time to get the Flywheels back up out of the dirt. The next trip over the engine would be sitting up on new pieces of wood.

After John was put to rest and Pat. (his wife) told me to start selling the engines. I called my Father up and told him what Pat wanted me to do, the first thing out of dad was, I want the Dayton.
The Engine was moved to my place about 3 weeks later and for the first time in 101 years the engine was now in a dry place out of the weather.
I guess it was good it was never moved in before because the rust never had any time to dry out, and when I started taking it apart about 10 days later everything came apart real easy. In the hole disassembly I only broke off two bolts, one head bolt and one holding on the exhaust flange. Most nuts after I moved them a little, you could take them off by hand. John always had the cylinder full of old motor oil and he always pored it over the hole engine.

The engine is getting real close to being put pack together, and I have been taking lots of photos, that I will put up here from time to time. The goal is to have it at the Coolsprings for there Ohio engine feature this year. Enjoy the story............DH
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Old 02-08-2012, 06:49:10 PM
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Thanks for posting the pictures Dave. I am eager to see it running again!
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Dave, Thanks for the update - this will be a great story. I look forward to your posts!
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Default Re: 1893 Dayton Serial#3 Outside for 101 Years

It'll look nice out by the road in front of your house.
Since my GPS can't find you, I'll just look for the Dayton.
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It'll look nice out by the road in front of your house.
Since my GPS can't find you, I'll just look for the Dayton.
No out side for this one, Dad is even talking about getting a closed in trailer to haul it in. Just look for the 80" Klein wheels sitting in the woods, you can see them in the winter when the leaves are off............DH
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As I said in my 1st post, John got this engine in 1966 at an auction in Dayton Oh. Here are two photos that where taken by John the day of the sale. The Original rear cart wheels are still under the engine at the sale, but no one knows what John done with them. I know these where the Original wheels from looking through the only catalog that I have ever seen with Dayton engines in it. The Dayton wheels are very distinct by having parallel spokes in them. I never know John had these photos until after he had died, so I never got to ask what he done with the wheels, And trust me I have looked all over his farm, and down at Trail Run. (property that he owned when got the engine)

The skids where still under it up until the time it was moved back to my place, but they where full of bugs and I didn't need to bring them home also. I did get all the measurements off them so new one's could be cut. Will post more soon............DH
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What are the smaller wheels in the picture? I have a set of 4 exactly like those that I am restoring right now. They are heavy cast with 8 spokes.
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What are the smaller wheels in the picture? I have a set of 4 exactly like those that I am restoring right now. They are heavy cast with 8 spokes.
I do not have any idea on the smaller wheels in the photo. They are way to small to have been used on this cart..........DH
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I guess I should have put a few details on here about the engine. So here you go its 8Hp, 7 1/2" bore 12" stroke, has 57" flywheels, Hit and Miss by cutting off the fuel, and it runs against compression, and has an ignitor. There are only 4 of these engine know of. The one at Coolsprings is also 8Hp #69 there is about a 4Hp over in the Dayton area #409, and One Vertical of about 6 or 8Hp. Most or the Patent drawings are on the vertical engine.

Also right now I would like to thank everyone that has been helping on this restoration. Gary Stoner for helping with a lot on the machine work, when I started this job I did not have a good lathe till just a few months ago. Greg Johnson for his pattern work, Terry Tanner for finding some hard to find Springs, and Jim W. at the paint store, for putting up with me for about 3 hours one day mixing just the right color that I wanted......

Here are few photos of some of the unique feathers of these engine's........
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Default Re: 1893 Dayton Serial#3 Outside for 101 Years

dave. i seem to always be in the dayton area .. if you need pictures for reference, ill be glad to help anyway i can. im curious to where abouts this engine came from when john bought it... keep up the good work!
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Default Re: 1893 Dayton Serial#3 Outside for 101 Years

Lets see some pictures from the catalog so we can know what it looked like when new.
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I would wager it looked something like this in the catalog.
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Default Re: 1893 Dayton Serial#3 Outside for 101 Years

A little cost info to go with the catalog picture. In 1897, an 8hp Dayton stationary engine cost $580. With the 20% premium added, a portable engine was $686. Not chump change by any means back in those days. That equates to $17,735.80 in 2010 (newest year on the calculator) dollars!
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Perhaps that seems like a lot of money, but if you think a new 200 hp tractor these days tops $150,000, then it seems like a deal. Mind you, you can do a bit more work with a 4 wheel drive air conditioned tractor but where's the fun?
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Martin--150,000.00 might buy a used John Deere 4wd 200hp tractor. Green is more valuable you know! Also in 1897 our money was based on the gold standard. 680.00 back then would add up to about 34 ounces of gold worth 40-50 thousand dollars in todays fiat money.
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Here are a few photos of the engine as I was taking it apart last Oct. Nov. 2010

For the most part most of the engine came apart easy. A lot of the nuts and bolts came off as if they where just put on a year or two before, Once they where loosened I was able to remove them by hand. I guess it was all the old oil John had been putting on it over the last 45 years...............DH
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More photos of the disassembly, and a pile of parts.
In the 2nd photo on the bottom left where the valve chest sit there is an L shaped line in the mounting surface that looks like a crack... (Its not) These are just lines in the casting where the hot metal flowed together...

One piece I thought for sure that was going to give me trouble was the hubcap on the end of the crank. There is one long set screw (about 1 1/2" long) that holds it on the crank. I heated the hubcap around the the screw and with a big punch when it was still hot, give it a good rap, then put the screwdriver to it and it came right out and the hubcap was then loose from the crank. And there was also no rust on the inside, or on the crank.

The Flywheels also I thought would give me a hard time, but no. The keys came out with very little effort, and after they where removed the wheels where loose on the crank. You got to love that...........Will get more on here as I get time..........DH
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Dave I've got a "?" not being familiar with Daytons. What is the third cam lobe for? What is its funtion? Just curious.
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Question Re: 1893 Dayton Serial#3 Outside for 101 Years

Another question for you too: In your second photo, in your first post, what were the wooden spokes for, on the engine, in front of the flywheel? A big pulley perhaps? The only thing left were the hub and the rotted wooden spokes, in the photo.
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