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1893 Dayton Serial #3 Outside for 101 Years


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Old 03-14-2012, 12:00:55 AM
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More photos........First one is of the finished bearings, still need to get the Babbitt poured in them. Photos 2 and 3 are the mounted Water Pump, I still have more linkage to add on to it. and the Last Photo I'm asking for some help from all the rest of the engine men around the country. This is a Powell #4 flat glass that Dad is wanting to put on the engine. I have called everyone that I have in my cell that I would think have Oilers like this and I keep hitting the same door. They eather do not have one at all, or its the wrong size. Please Pm me if you would be willing to sell or tread for one of these Oilers. I have got lotes of treading stock, and I think Dads got LOTS of Money. I need two of them.

I also had a brain fart with one of the new shafts for the engine and that has set me behind on getting the engine back together. We where cutting new key ways in it and Gary ask me if they needed to be as long as they where in the old shaft, Well I said I don't think so, and then last week when I was putting it together.(TRYING) Well it does need to run the entire length of the shaft. So I'm waiting for more time to go back down to get the new key cut................DH
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Went back down to Gary's yesterday to pick up the new shaft that he cut the key way in, and to pour the babbitt bearings in the parts that I got machined out last weekend for the water pump shaft. The first shaft we cut, we did not cut the key way all the way to the end, I did not think it needed to be this way until after I tried to put all the cam followers on the shaft of witch one of them is keyed to the shaft and there was no way it was going to work.
The last photo is of the project that I have been keeping Gary from doing for himself. I know some of you know what it is, Its Ohio made, and not a lot of them around. Anyone out side our gang want to take a guess??????? DH

I am still looking for the Powell oiler also. Have not heard from anyone, and I can't believe these oilers are that hard to come by. Please let me know if you have one...............Thanks
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I know what it is Dave but I won't give it away. He borrowed the parts off me to use as patterns.
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Default Re: 1893 Dayton Serial #3 Outside for 101 Years

Dave,

Is it one of these???



If so, will it be at Coolspring in June?

The Dayton is fantastic! I can't wait to see it up close in person. Love the restoration work you are doing, and I love that cart!

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Travis you are right, This is one of the engines from John Wilcox's collection. Johns Father started restoring this engine years ago and it was never completed by him. I new Gary would give it a good home and finish the engine. It will be at Coolsprings as long as I stop bothering him. Gary is making good progress on it, and it's getting close to done..........DH
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This was one job that there was a lot of time spent thinking of how to do just right. The cam shaft needed to be replaced, and like I showed before the cam are held on with taper pins and set screws. Here was the problem, the taper pins did not go straight through the cams and shaft. So after much discussion with others on how it should be done, this is what we came up with.

Using the old shaft I put the cams on and set the taper pin in to lock them into place, and then marked the cams so I could get them back on the new shaft in the right place.

One taper pin was turned down on the big end about 1/2" so it could be held in the mill chuck. Then I put the cam on the pin, and using a Indicator against the side of the cam I would close up the chuck jaws slowly making sure the cam stayed in line with the pin. Then I sled the shaft in and lined up my marks, and secured the shaft in to place. The hole was drilled and reamed with the right size tapered reamer to fit. This had to be done for each cam, and the hard part was on one my marks ended up on the bottom, so out came the mirror to get it in line. The last photo is of the cam shaft complete and ready to be put back in the engine....................DH
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First off I would like to thank Brian Triebner for coming up with One of the oilers that I'm needing for the Dayton, I also got one off ebay (#1 1/2) last week. Still need One more

I made great progress yesterday on the Dayton. There are still small things that take time, as many parts need to be fitted together closely. I also spent about two hours in the shop making these 3 little screws. (photo 3) the old one could not be saved, and I could not find anything that I thought would look good, and all I had in the shop was Oil harden drill rod. So you need to cut that stuff slow.

I had parts of the engine together back a few weeks ago to get the engine timed, and marked, and to make sure also that all 3 cams where in time just right before drilling them for the tapper pins.

The wheels will be the last thing to go on as it is so much better working with them off instead of through them. I think I'm about 2 or 3 weeks out for trying to start it up for the first time........................DH
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Dave, Great job! I can't wait to see it running. I really like that you are paying a lot of attention to the little details. Wayne
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Thanks Wayne, That is the same thing Greg Johnson told me last night. The way I look at, the time I have spent doing other things right, The rest should be done the same way............DH
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This was the last piece that needed some attention. It is the stationary part of the Ignitor. It had been treated awful bad, with crescent, pipe wrench's. I did not want to take it apart and open up a real can of worms, so I just cleaned up the hex and give it a good polish job. Installed and adjusted to where it should be.
Today I'm going to try to get the rest of the water pump parts installed and on.......................DH
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Working on Lawn mowers, cutting grass, Dr.Apt.
O you mean the Dayton?????????? Not much. Doing some Plumbing and thinking on how to do the plumbing, and thinking, and thinking..........Also got the rest of the pump parts laded out, and some of it is together. Will post photos later..........DH
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I got around to finishing the rest of the water pump drive parts, and got them installed on Sunday. One thing that was changed was the size of the pulley. The original one was 6 inch. As it was figured with the 6 inch it would have been pumping almost 6 gallons a minute, so I found a 12 inch and put it on. I still might need to go bigger on it, will see. Have had to make some beaded fitting. I had a few, but no 45s. still need to make a few more of these. Details, details, details. I also found the water tank that will be used, and need to make fittings to go on it for the water pipes..............DH
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Back on the Dayton Yesterday, and I finely got it to where I could put the wheels on. The first photo is of the hub of the wheel, and I know Wayne G. showed this very same thing on the Van Duzen Wheel as well. This must have been a common practice on they early engines, why it was done???

Getting the left wheel on just in the right place took some time. It needs to be just in the right place for the governor to work properly. There is very little travel in it, and it is quite different in the way it functions. One of the Patent's that was assigned to the Dayton was on the function of the governor.

I don't know about the rest of you out there, but this thing looks very IMPRESSIVE with these big Thin wheels on it. I'm 6'3" so you can kind of get the just of the size of the wheels. The water tank is up next and there is some work to be done on it to get some of the rivets to stop leaking.....................DH
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Dave, Looks great! Hopefully we see it in a couple months at CPM?
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The counterboreing of the flywheel hub center section is also done today with some of the commercially available flywheels and large pulleys. I believe it is done to maintain contact between the ends of the hub and the shaft. By ensuring this, it can never loosen and get to a situation where it rocks in the middle. Basically it does the same thing as increasing a persons stability by standing with your legs apart verses together.
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Dave, Looks great! Hopefully we see it in a couple months at CPM?
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The counterboreing of the flywheel hub center section is also done today with some of the commercially available flywheels and large pulleys. I believe it is done to maintain contact between the ends of the hub and the shaft. By ensuring this, it can never loosen and get to a situation where it rocks in the middle. Basically it does the same thing as increasing a persons stability by standing with your legs apart verses together.
Thanks Wayne, It will be at Coolsprings......... And I was talking to old machinist this morning and he said it was a practise that for some reason it was gotten away from years ago, and that it was not till just in the last 15 or so years they where starting to use it again... It does make sense when you think about it.................DH
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I'm getting behind on my work on the Dayton, So I spent the day in the shop yesterday making a new water pump shaft. Gary S. had made a new one for me, BUT I had him make it the length of the old one . Well it turned out that with the new water pump brackets that it all sat just a little further away from the skids and then the input pulley would not line up with the flywheel hub. I could have taken the short road and made a short stub and slid it up inside the pulley hub just for looks, BUT Gary had me feel guiltyso I made a new one.... Hopefully Will try to start it in the next week or so................DH
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WELL S----T, Tried to see if it would make some smoke tonight and about the third time it fired the gasket under the valve chest decided it was going to leek It did hit the second time around though
Everything thing on top has to come back off, there's no way around that.....DAM DAM DAM. Back to the drawing bored.
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Dave, I know its a lot of work to get it apart just to replace the gasket but I am sure you will have it done in short order. I must have missed the post where you mentioned it; How did you remachine the flywheel rims? On the engine or maybe a VTL?
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Sorry to hear of your setback. Looking forward to see the Dayton at Coolspring. Tom
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