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More Good: gas tank, 30" clutch pulley with brass R&V Friction Clutch tag, 18" regular pulley, crank cover, water pipe / supports
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Old 01-16-2012, 05:09:27 PM
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More Good: fancy heavy duty cart axles, some original green paint and pin stripping
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The Bad: mostly surface rust, but some heavier rust on side-shaft, governor gears, governor, fuel pump.
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More Bad: missing a few things such as crank shield, oiler tree and oiler parts, Wizard friction magneto, carb needle valve, ignitor trip arm, volatilizer with priming cup?, brass tag, cart tongue...
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and finally the Ugly: all 4 cart wheels have heavily pitted / broken spokes where this beast sat 4" in the earth. The worst wheels have 4 to 6 bad spokes!

However, overall there is mostly good and the bad / ugly can be fixed or replaced! Will try to document some of the restoration in another thread!
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Default Re: Still Out There - 12 HP Root and Vandervoort

Hi Jeff,

How bad does the cylinder look? I assume it is stuck at the very least.

Should we expect to see it running at Coolsprings in June. I hope so.
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Tom, haven't gotten a look yet, but it is definately stuck. I don't think it will clean up as quickly as that nice Brown of yours! Coolspring in June? Yep, 2014 should be no problem
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Jeff, I have new castings for the oiler tree. Give me a call.
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Default Re: Still Out There - 12 HP Root and Vandervoort

Jeff I have enjoyed following this story. Some fellas just have all the luck but you've already heard that. What a great find and really looking forward to some video of this baby running. Oh yea... hope your going to leave her in her work clothes!
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Root and Vandervoort engines run in our family!

My Grandfather, Harvey Wahl, retrieved the maroon 6 HP R&V from its original working location in a Minnesota grain elevator. With serial # X3002, it's the oldest short side-shaft R&V we've seen and has nice brass governor weights. It sat inside all it's life and had some beautiful original paint, but back in those days restorations included a new paint job. First picture is after its initial restoration in 1980, a friend hand painted the elaborate striping for us. Second picture shows new paint job for the 2003 R&V reunion after the older paint was badly cracking.

My father, Tom Wahl, bought the green 7 HP R&V from its 2nd owner whom rescued it from the woods in Maine and restored it to its present paint job. My father mounted it on a nice cart for taking to shows. It is a newer short side-shaft engine and it's neat to compare the engineering upgrades from the early 6 HP we have.

And now I retrieved the 12 HP R&V from its farm in Georgia where it operated a wheat thresher and pea huller. While its original work clothes probably looked much nicer prior to 80 years of weather and rust, I don't plan on painting this one!
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Its terrible the toll that weather, humidity, etc. takes on our hunks of iron in our area and south of here. It will take a good bit of elbow grease but you'll have that baby shining in a few months.
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What a wonderful find, I envy your experience.
The story you tell & the documentation is incredible, & with all the added threads from contributors.
This is becoming a missed History Channel Special.
I hope you don't lose interest in telling the story & taking time to take pictures of your progress.
I for one, will love to see the rebirth of this engine & its display in videos & at shows you attend.
I wish I lived closer to your location, so I could come over and lend a hand at the restoration effort.
Take it one day at a time.
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At least those are standard round spokes in those wheels, so it should be fairly easy to replace the rusted out ones.
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This past weekend, we removed the 18" x 11" pulley from the side-shaft side flywheel. The engine looks much better without it!

We were supprised that with a little bit of penetrating oil, we are able loosen the bolts pretty easily across this engine.

We plan to take it to Bill Hoitt's gathering on March 10th and then take the wheels off to get worked on. The wheel spokes are actually flat, hard to tell in the photos.
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Took the R&V down to Bill Hoitt's gathering yesterday and before we knew it, we had started in on the restoration.

We took the ignitor and cylinder head off with ease, no heat required! What we could see of the cylinder looked good, but the piston was forward. Next we took the side shaft off and loosened the bearing caps. After squirting oil all around the cylinder, two helpers grabbed the flywheels and they started to budge. Within seconds, the flywheels and piston were moving freely.

After sitting almost a century in it's original barn with a caved in roof, the R&V wasn't stuck and the cylinder looks great The owner could be seen grinning from ear to ear
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Making some progress on various parts for the R&V. As you can see from the pictures, the original cooling tank was shot. So we had John Wanat make a new one. He was able to reuse the fitting and band from the original tank. John did an excellent job straightening the band, looks like new!







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When I got the R&V, Wayne Walker mentioned he might have an original cooling screen for it. His screen measured 29" and our tank measured 30". A perfect fit as the screen sits down in the tank slightly on hanger supports, hard to believe! The screen is in excellent condition given it is 100 years old. It is also very solid and more heavy duty than what can be reproduced today. As I'm attempting to restore the R&V with an original patina look, I had to have this screen!

After purchasing it, Jerry Toews delivered it from Kansas to DC a week ago. I then drove it up to Peter Knight's auction and took pictures of it with the new tank that Dad had picked up on his drive down from Maine. Also shown is the screen with the original cone off of our 7 HP R&V. On his return trip, Dad dropped the screen and cone off at John Wanat's so he can build a new cone scaled from the 7 HP cone.

Then I will just have to 'age' the new tank and cone to match the screen. Any recommendations?

A big thanks again to Wayne Walker, Jerry Toews and John Wanat!







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Below are pictures of the restored intake cage.

One of the 3 mounting ears was cracked and fell off when we removed the cage. We sent it to Tim Meaden of Slayton, MN who did a superb job welding it back on. If we need something welded, it goes to Tim, his work is 1st class!

We then sent it to Rob Charles in NJ who is working on many of the key parts for the R&V. Rob bored out the valve guide since it was badly worn. Then he made a new valve using the new valve guide diameter. He then ground the valve seat to match the new valve, plus made a new valve spring. The two nuts that are on the valve are originals which he sanded to eliminate some of the pitting. He also made a new throttle shaft for the butterfly in the intake cage.

We picked it up from Rob at the auction. Can't wait to get the other parts back! Thanks again to Tim and Rob!







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Can't wait to see pics. of the finished project. Have fun!
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Also got back the fuel pump lever with new roller from Rob.



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