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Webster engines, where are they all?


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I've heard there are a few used as fill under a parking lot in Wellsville, NY.
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Ted, on your latest list you have 2624 unknown location. That is the engine I used to own and is now in Central Texas. I also remember seeing a nice Webster inverted in central Missouri. I will try to track that number down also.
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Dwaune: Here is a couple of photos of the Winch Engine that was in Texas and a couple pictures of a Ignightor fired Webster in England. Don't know of the serial numbers on either.
The engine you posted pictures of that used to be in TX is actually a pumping unit and not a winch. The serial number is 4710 and tagged Tate Jones & Co. Inc. Pittsburgh, PA. It will be relocated to VA soon.
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Here are three pics of the hot tube ignition pumping unit serial number 4710. Last picture is the tag for the hot tube ignition engine number 2079 that belongs to Dwight Vivas of VA.
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There is an inverted in Saalfeld, Germany, but I have no idea on the sn.
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Heavy, Glad to see that Webster pump engine will be loved on. It has sat dormant for many years. I bought the Temple Masterworkman that sat right beside it. I somehow got it in my mind with those gears it was a winch engine.
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Dwayne, Don't worry as I thought the same thing when I first saw the Webster and when it was listed for sale last year it was labeled as a "winch".

Here are some pics from a 1901 catalog. Some of these pics were posted earlier but these might be a little clearer. These four are for the 1.5hp engine.
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Here are two pics of the 2.5hp plus one of the company building.
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Here are two for their 4hp vertical gasoline engine.
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Lunkenheimer Ruby oiler that came on the inverted Webster engines
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Lunkenheimer Ruby oiler that came on the inverted Webster engines
That's lucky, the horizontal takes 4!!
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Here are pictures of #2717 that was at Coolspring. I don't know who owns it or where it resides.
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#2620 probably a 3hp hot tube ignition in Minnesota. Sorry, only pic I currently have
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I've got several questions on Webster engines!
The original 1901 Webster catalog I have, shows 3 vertical engines sizes, a
1 1/2hp, 2 1/2hp & 4hp. There is no mention of a 3hp vertical, is there any literature out there that lists a 3hp ?
My engine # 2079 has the same measurements given in the 1901 catalog.
Webster engines used a cast iron name plate & a brass name plate, when did the change take place, my catalog shows the cast iron plate.
Some engines used the 6X9 pulley cast with the flywheel, when did they go with a crankshaft mounted pulley?
When were ignitors first offered, the catalog only mentions hot tube ignition.
The earliest vertical engine testimonial in the catalog talks of a 2 1/2hp engine purchased in July 1896, and says there are 3000 vertical engines in use.
Any additional information would be most welcome!
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There are at least 1 or 2 surviving vertical engines. Thought I had a picture of one, but can't find it.
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Jeff, what size vertical are you talking about, the 4hp?
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Yep Dwight, not talking about the inverted.
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Dwight: I really don't think there is much literature on any of the Webster engines? Would be nice if some showed up.
This is just what I have learned and believe is that the V crank style came out around 1895 era and was listed at 2 1/2 HP and starting at serial number 500 as most Chicago area builder's did. They went to the straight crank at around # 1500 and they was up rated to 3 HP. They was hot tube only and production went to around 4,500 - or early 1900's - Then they produced the Ignightor -Hot Tube double gearing type till around 1905 and then went to the single gearing front ignightor type (no hot tube). I believe they ended production around the 1905 - 1907 time frame.
On the pulley cast with the flywheel?? I have a old Gas Review some where it talks about this. The ones cast with the fly wheel was there common cheep type with the ones made for special pulleys mounted to the flywheel were the more expensive as there were different size pulleys and more machining required plus bolts and nuts to add to the cost of the engine.
Now what I have learned from working on several 2 1/2-3 HP types is that there is 3 basic crankcase/cylinder types. Two different styles of flywheels - 5 different exhaust cages - 5 different intake cages - 6 different carbs. There may be more but can't think of them at this time.
I do not think that Webster made a spark plug version from the factory. My V crank dose have a spark plug but if one looks closer it is clear it is a Black Smith addition. I may be wrong??
On the smaller 1 1/2 HP engines. I do believe they came into production around number 4,000 and it would help for them to be entered into the listing. I do know of four and have checked out one in person but again know little about them.
I do hope others will add there findings and add to the different things they have learned. Now this is not a rule but what I have learned and hope it may help others out.
I am adding a picture of my very late front Ignightor single gearing Webster. - Ted - PS Yes it has the wrong carb but do have the correct one. Also check the pulley on this late version Webster.



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Thanks Ted, Are there any of the vertical engines that have the HP. stamped on the tag? I had thought that they were all 3hp. until this 1901 catalog listed them as 2 1/2hp.
This catalog mainly covers the horizontal engines, but the last few pages cover the vertical models. The engines shown in it have the straight style crankshaft, not the earlier V style.

That's an unusual Webster, that you posted the photos of, can't say I've seen another one like it!
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Dwight, I reviewed a 1906 catalog and compared measurements given in your 1901 catalog. I think the 2 1/2hp and 3hp are the same engine just up-rated like so many other makers did.

1901 Specs
1.5 HP "Handy Man"
33" tall
4" bore x 6" stroke
400 rmp
20" x 2 3/8" Flywheel
6" x 6" pulley
450 pounds

2.5 HP "Webster"
45" tall
24" width across top of flywheels
320 rpm
9"x 6" pulley
700 pounds

1906 Specs
3 HP "No. 3"
45" tall
5" bore x 8" stroke
320 rpm
24" x 2.5" flywheel at 140 pounds each
9"x 6" pulley
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