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Old 11-20-2006, 01:07:01 PM
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Here's a new topic that I'm hoping I can get people interested in posting to.

What engines do you know of where there are less than 10 examples still existing?

Rules:
1. There has to be at least 1 engine of this type still in existence.
2. You need to know where one of these engines has been seen (ie. state or province, don't need owners name) Extra credit if you can produce a picture of the engine.
3. It needs to be a engine where more than 10 were sold. No prototypes or homemade engines.
4. Engine should be at least mentioned in BYB 1 or 2 or some other published book or ad lists the engine.


For example:

20hp Stickney less than 10 known. One in Oregon that I've seen plus the one in Montana and I've heard there is one in Canada.

Less than 10 Daniel Best engines, I've seen one in California, plus know there are one or two other ones.

Witte (Star) 4hp vertical, One in Oregon and one in Pennsylvania.

Less than 10 Mery engines. (Although I'm not sure that the company made 10 of them.)

Bonus points if you have photos You lose points if you're wrong Double bonus points if you can prove someone wrong No points if you can't list an engine
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Old 11-20-2006, 01:16:36 PM
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George,
Does it count if you don't know what it is? Here is a link to one that no one can identify so it must be the only one is existance and it's in my shed in Kennebunk, Maine. Plenty of photos & description.

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33398
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Old 11-20-2006, 01:28:49 PM
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If you don't know what it is, then it fails rule #4.

I'm trying to limit the list to engines people have heard of and there is some printed knowledge of it. I'm sure there are lots of oddball unknown engines where only one or two examples exist. Which is why I also have rule #3 that it should have been produced in some quantity.

Part of the reason behind this thread is that you often hear someone say that their "xyz" engine is the only one or one of only a few. Often it is because they don't know of anyone else having one of those engines.

I'm curious as to whether anyone can come up with an engine that there is thought to be less than 10 and someone or the group can disprove it.
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Old 11-20-2006, 01:58:35 PM
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George,
Does it count if you don't know what it is? Here is a link to one that no one can identify so it must be the only one is existance and it's in my shed in Kennebunk, Maine. Plenty of photos & description.
I don't know what it is but that's one heck of a cool crankshaft arrangement............
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Old 11-20-2006, 02:12:11 PM
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Thompson Brothers made in Salisbury, NC.

1 Engine known to exist and is presently located in Sanford, North Carolina.

This engine is a 4 hp Hopper Cooled model and is called a "Jack Rabbit".

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http://www.oldengine.org/members/sie...jackrabbit.jpg

Let me know how many points I get for this one.
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Old 11-20-2006, 02:27:09 PM
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Tony,

Very nice example.

I assume this is the same engine that Wendel pictured in his BYB.

I'm not keeping score but I'll give you a couple points!
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Old 11-20-2006, 02:30:20 PM
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Otto & Langen Atmospheric engine.

Tony, real nice engine. We saw it a couple years ago in West Jefferson, NC
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I only know of 4 Atlas vertical engines. They are all 2 HP. Two of them were made in Indianapolis, Indiana by the Atlas Engine Works. I own both of them. Two of them were made in San Antonio, Texas and have the Kruger-Atlas tag on them, and I know who owns them. See July-August 1975, page 34 and February 2001, page 21 in GEM for pictures of mine.

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A local radical here has a 12hp Champion from Lininger Equipment in Omaha that might qualify. Anyone know of another 12hp? I think I have seen 3 Champion engines, counting Kevins.
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Old 11-20-2006, 03:45:08 PM
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I have a 2 hp. GADE HAWKEYE. The HAWKEYEs were the first GADE engines produces and were built in both 2 & 3 hp. sizes. There are only about 10 known examples of both sizes and only 3 or 4 of the 2 hp. size. Mine is on my front porch in southern WV. I took it to the National Gade Show held at Marshalltown IA in 2004. Photo attached.

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Old 11-20-2006, 03:54:51 PM
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Here's a new topic that I'm hoping I can get people interested in posting to.

What engines do you know of where there are less than 10 examples still existing?

Rules:
1. There has to be at least 1 engine of this type still in existence.
2. You need to know where one of these engines has been seen (ie. state or province, don't need owners name) Extra credit if you can produce a picture of the engine.
3. It needs to be a engine where more than 10 were sold. No prototypes or homemade engines.
4. Engine should be at least mentioned in BYB 1 or 2 or some other published book or ad lists the engine.


For example:

20hp Stickney less than 10 known. One in Oregon that I've seen plus the one in Montana and I've heard there is one in Canada.

Less than 10 Daniel Best engines, I've seen one in California, plus know there are one or two other ones.

Witte (Star) 4hp vertical, One in Oregon and one in Pennsylvania.

Less than 10 Mery engines. (Although I'm not sure that the company made 10 of them.)

Bonus points if you have photos You lose points if you're wrong Double bonus points if you can prove someone wrong No points if you can't list an engine
I have these in my collection;
If you want to break it down to HP sizes as in the 20 HP Stickney, I have the only 35 HP Field cam stopper known.

Empire Novelty (in new BYB) know of one other

J D Wallace 1/2 HP know of one other (looks almost like a Plunkett)

ELI , Probably less than 10 left. Know of 8 in my roster

Workwell 1 HP know of one other

Brown, Maybe less than 10 left

Globe 1/2 HP made in Macomb, IL Probably less than 10 left

Waterman marine engine. Verticle with a rotary sleeve valve. Very odd. Heard of one other.
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Old 11-20-2006, 03:55:46 PM
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Allman engine as seen on page 21 lower left of the BYB. There is a small one aprox 3HP owned by Jeff Holtz in NJ. And now I have found the 2nd one known and it know lives in MA. And here is a picture to prove it. (how many points did I get?)
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In case you dont think this is the same engine, It dosn't look excatly like the one in the book, Here is the Tag on Jeff's engine. And mine is "almost" excatly like his! Mike
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Thanks Bill,
I've personally seen a 7, 9, and heard of a 5 (through you) and a couple 1 1/2 HP (through Tom Cwach). Glenn Karch says more than 10 but no definite number and no other 12s. Not sure if that qualifies me or not. Kevin
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I have the only 10hp Gilson Wizard known to exist. The Gilson Wizard line were built in 1-1/2, 3-1/2, 6 and 10hp sizes with a total production of about 1000 engines, most of the surviving engines being 3-1/2hp. I have never seen or heared of another surviving 10hp Gilson Wizard besides mine. Have you?
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I have 2 engines that very likely qualify...

A Bates & Edmonds Bulldog HVID, I think it's a 3HP. Complete and running, but a B*TCH to start

A Globe engine, identified here on the Smokstak, most likely used to power a light plant, since that's what Globe made. Neat little engine...has a thermosyphon radiator with a small fan and a brass Mayer carb. Mostly complete but not yet running.

Chris
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I've got a 1912 4 hp air cooled ARACO. Its a hot tube engine. I've seen a lot of Myricks and stuff, but i have yet to see one of these. I know someone who has a 12hp ARACO, but no 4hp's. ARACO stands for American Railway Appalince Co. and is made by Oil City Engine and Power Co. in Oil city PA.


http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...t=100_1786.jpg

it is the red one to the left of me. red was not the origional color. i have been told it may have been gray or silver.
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Do re-tags count?...Got one built by Witte, but tagged as a Turner. I have only seen two others.

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Well, these aren't TECHNICALLY mine... They belong to the Antique Gas & steam engine in Vista, CA.


That is a 200 horsepower western, one of three made in that configuration. The other two have been scrapped. Western made only three sideshaft engines like this one, as kind of a last-ditch effort to grab back some of the market that high-rev multi-cylinder engines had stolen. That engine was made in 1932.



That is our 1917 holt 120 horsepower portable engine. It is essentially the same engine used in the holt 25 ton crawlers, but the flywheel has a hand-start attachment on it which you can sort of see in the photo. It is one of three known to exist.



That is out 1937 Enterprise DSW-6 engine that we got from the palomar mountain observatory. It is one of two built with an enclosed valve gear.
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hi ...here are 2...1-eli tank cooled from moline,il 2- cushman model2 air colled 1/2hp only 3 known.......kent
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