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Free engine find - (generator shaft removal)


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Old 08-19-2010, 11:16:36 PM
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Hold the nut close to the carb and turn the outer on CCW. After turning it a ways turn the adjustment screw CCW. When it gets a little hard to turn, repeat first step, then second step. The nut furtherest from the carb tightens a packing around the shaft on the needle but it has to come off to get the needle out. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong fellow stakers. Ken
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Old 08-19-2010, 11:25:44 PM
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You say turn the outer do you mean the outer nut or the needle. I just want to spray in the needle seat hole.

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Old 08-20-2010, 10:18:15 PM
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Got hold of briggs dealer and he assured me it is a tapered shaft. Like I said the grease fitting didn't work last night . I went to machine shop to get a length of round stock to fit into the 3/8 threaded hole in rotor and crank shaft to act as a puller . i was cauntioned by the machinest friend of mine that the round stock is soft and may mushroom when I thread the bolt in to push on round stock and pull as I thread it in. We inserted the stock and tighted the bolt and hit on outside of rotor and it didn't budge. Took bolt out and as he said round stock stuck inside threaded hole. Well I decided to take it home and realy put some pressure on it with a pry bar aginst it and pound on end for more of a shock and the bolt threaded in and hit it some more and it threaded in and It was pulling it off. and it came off WOW it's off . not going to cut shaft just going to drill a hole in crank for pully set screw to bottom out in. Pics here . I'm real pleased with all sugestions here.
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:20:44 PM
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Heres the pics.
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:27:34 PM
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Heres the last picture.
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:49:12 PM
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Now were going to tackle slowing the engine down and getting it to fun correctly. Thanks to all you people here I am getting this project completed with my little experience with engines.

Ronny

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Elden Durand had to go back and you actually suggested the bolt and push pin as a so called puller. I'm going to leave taper alone and just slip pully right over part of crank thats not tapered. would not be easy or not possible to turn shaft down with out takeing crank out of eng.

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Old 08-21-2010, 08:53:20 PM
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Regarding removing the high speed screw. Put a wrench on the aluminum colored nut closest to the carb and hold the wrench steady. Put a wrench on the aluminum colored nut farthest from the carb and loosen it (counter clockwise) a couple turns. You should now loosen / remove (counter clockwise) the high speed screw and aluminum colored nut farthest from the carb together at the same time.

Next, loosen / remove (counter clockwise) the aluminum nut closest to the carb. Take all of the removed parts and inspect to get a basic understanding of how they work together. Essentially, the two aluminum colored nuts act as a compression fitting to prevent gas from leaking out from around the high speed screw.

As mentioned, once the nuts / high speed screw are removed, look up inside the hole. There is approx. a 3 inch long brass jet that is screwed up in the hole. Ideally, this is what you want to remove with a screw driver (counter clockwise) and inspect / clean. Make sure you use a screw driver just wide enough to fit in the hole + the screw driver fits snugly in the slot on the jet. You may need to exercise some patience here when attempting to unscrew the jet as there could be old gummed up gas up in the hole preventing the jet from easily unscrewing.

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You could potentially turn down the shaft while the engine is running and the shaft is spinning.
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Old 08-21-2010, 10:34:27 PM
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Don I just want to remove the needle first and spray it good and try it .I'm a scaredy cat when it come to this old stuff. Just hate to mess it up.

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Don going to see what I can find to fit the shaft as is where the taper ends.

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I'm very pleased with this project so far . I took off the rusted engine motor mounts I put it on 4x4 wood soaked in used oil i like that look . What do you all think so far ? Not real old 1958 but worth saving.

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[QUOTE=ronny p 148;551484]Don I just want to remove the needle first and spray it good and try it .I'm a scaredy cat when it come to this old stuff. Just hate to mess it up.
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I had a Kohler generator that I didn't know how the armature off of and finally figured out it was threaded with female threads and the crank had male threads. I put a chain visegrip on the armature and held the crank from turning and it screwed right off. I was getting basically the same info you were and none of it was adding up. I hope this helps and is how it attaches because it makes it easy to remove.
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Old 11-06-2010, 10:09:35 PM
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Well I cut the taper off this engine last night . I think it turned out good . I used a hand grinder with a cut off wheel then filed it and emeried it .Going to put a 7/8 tapered pully on it.

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Well just got in off road and no comments on this project update. I'm not good at restoring and I'm quite proud of myself !!

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Well I needed a gasket for the sediment bowl . Took bowl assembly off and there was what smelled like old kerosene in tank . It was red like rust color. Again i put some small roofing nails in tank got it clean as I can get it like this. The gas was put in tank in August of this year. What the heck made it turn bad with no gas smell at all in only 3 months ? Real unusual .

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Old 11-11-2010, 09:59:20 AM
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More on the gas issue. The gas was put in this engine last August from gas that was purchased in July . The gas in container is still being used in my engines and has not gone bad and it's November. The gas in only this engine went bad was no smell of gas at all to it.
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I'll say what I've noticed before 2,237 views 52 comments many my own. I would think that a project like this one simple to many but special to me would generate more comments. And more of the ?'s answered. I'm quite sure that 2,237 people who have looked at the posts have opinions that would be of a great help to my endeavors with what ever I'm trying to accomplish.

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Ronny

Looks to me like you’re doing pretty good.

You probably don’t have 2,237 people looking at this thread; probably more like several dozen doing repeat views (like me) to see how things are progressing.

As far as the sediment bowl gasket; there are a few guys who cut them themselves; I’ve been know to make a serviceable one out of a sheet of cork gasket material you can purchase at a auto parts store and a pair of scissors. The more professional variety show up on eBay from time to time, and they’re usually the ones I purchase when my supply gets low.

Regarding the gas. I don’t have a definitive answer; however the quality of gas (or lack thereof) has been a somewhat constant/hot topic on SmokStak for several years now. I’ve given up on using pump gas with my exhibit engines, because they run so infrequently that the gas was evaporating away and leaving a residue that was clogging the carburetor jets and I was spending a lot of time and effort cleaning and re-cleaning carburetors (plus the alcohol in the gas was tough on the paint I use).

I’ll venture an opinion (an opinion only) that with this particular engine, being old, there may be the opportunity for the air in it’s tank to exchange more frequently with the surrounding air. With the amount of alcohol in gas these days, and alcohol’s affinity to absorb moisture, you’ve ended up with a lot of water in the gas of this engine than would not normally happen with a “modern” engine and tank that is probably sealed better.
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What was left in the tank smelled of no gas smell at all just an petroleum based smell just seems odd when I'm still using the same can of gas in my lawn mower. Well cleaned tank out again I see mentioned here in another thread of running Coleman fuel i never herd of it and does carb have to be adjusted different for this fuel ? Whats this stuff a gal in wally world ?

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My guess would be that there was a lot of varnish and residue from old fuel in the system that had dried up before you started your project. The new fuel with the alcohol acted upon the varnish and residue to loosen them off the fuel system surfaces distributing them through out your "new" fuel. Methanol/ethanol has an affinity for oxygen ions and thus when found turns to good old H2-0 no smell to the fuel simply means it went flat
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I touched up paint on this engine and of course it doesn't match.
was using Krylon OSA industrial blue I kinda like it going to finish painting complete engine. Just going to get off what oil and grease residue I can and paint it. Hope it sticks around the carberator.

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Well almost finished tried to touch up paint didn't match. Ended up painting eng all over. I masked the original decal and you can see original color. Do you think keeping this decal that shows it was a Hemco generator at one time looks OK or should I paint over it. Do you think painting it took away from it being old 1958 vintage. ?

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I for got to post the pics here they are.

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