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Old 06-10-2011, 11:10:38 PM
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Was given a Ward engine today looks like an early fifties engine that came of the 7 HP roto tiller that simplicity made for Montgomery ward. It has a Mag with points and condenser in the mag housing No spark I sanded points still none. I know nothing about haw to work on it. Will post pics tomorrow. It says on name plate it was sold on a tractor. Sure would like to see it run. i would imagine no parts available for it.

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Show us the pix, suspect it is a Wisconsin.
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Old 06-11-2011, 01:07:49 AM
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Probably a Wisconsin engine. Parts can still be found.
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Old 06-11-2011, 02:41:12 PM
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Well got info off engine plate .Model # is WMS BKN 122076 Serial # is 2586659 . Anyone know date of manufacture and actual make and HP . Here is a few pics of engine and my 6 year old engine helper my granddaughter. And close up of points and I think mag. Look at the blue wire looks like it's burned . Can this engine be saved. I know nothing about testing why it has no spark let alone expertise to repair .realy would like to get it to run It has J P Ward stamped on carb.

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No help yet on this thread all must be at shows.

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I can tell you it's a Wisconsin BKN. I don't claim to know much about Wisconsin engines but there are lots of Wisconsin experts here on SmokStak so give it a little time and someone will chime in.
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I need help with this one . Know nothing about it i did find out it was made in 1955 and is a Wisconsin and 7 HP now haw do I trouble shoot spark It's not the plug. Is it worth saving ? Seems to have compression are these worth anything ?

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Made in Feruary, 1956. 7.2 hp. Pretty commoin, parts are available. A working (not rebuilt) mag goes for $20 or $25 bucks, less if you can use the plastic cap you already have. Clean the points REALLY well - use fine sand paper folded over, put between the points and sand a lot. The open the points (screwdriver works fine) and CAREFULLY spray with carb cleaner. Wipe with some heavy paper or card stock. Make sure your wire & plug look good. If you need an electronic copy of the manual, go to ASECC.com &look under their technical data section. If you need more help, post here or on the ASECC site. Phil P. here & Gary Stewart there know their stuff.
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Ronny,

I concur with Zira to clean the points as he suggested. I have found in most cases when an engine has sat unused for an extended period of time (several years or more) the points become oxidized. Using a point file in this case is ineffective. It might be necessary to regap the points to spec after cleaning. Good luck, nice looking engine.

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i also use sand paper but over a thin flat peice of metal to keep the breaker points flat and true, i have a AB wisconsin, i never got around to re-building, ran but the oil pump is shot, it has the same mag. set up as yours, did you change the condencer? and spark plug? i find some engines are picky as to which plug it prefers, if so and no fire, the mag. could be bad, sandardmagneto.com has those mags for shure but is very $$$, i would check around first before hand, it is easy to find one seeing as so many of that type of mag.s was made,
those are good heavy duty engines and yours is in good shape for it's age, it may only be a 7 hp, but the crank throws and fly-wheel are heavy, those things will lug all day, i was in vt. yesterday and wanted to stop in and say hello but had to head back,
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Old 06-15-2011, 09:05:16 PM
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I sanded the points not a Lott but they don't look oxidized . I didn't have a plug that fits Its a champion 8 big plug so I used a new plug small 8 clamped it on head to see if it was firing and it wasn't . That blue wire in pics I posted insulation looks melted.

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You can buy wire by the foot & terminals at Carquest, etc. for very little $. Make sure it is copper core & not graphite/carbon core. The modern plug is Champion D-16 or UD-16. Champion Com 8 is the old large plug.
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I just went out in garage and looked at points and blue and black wire coming from coil. They both got hot and are melted. The coil is very soft to the touch so light touch leaved finger imprint. Do you think coil is shot. something went wrong to heat both of those wires. condenser wire looks fine.

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Any thoughts on why these wired are melted and points look like they got little hot blue tint very slight on round part of points where they contact .

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If the outer insulation on the coil melted, I would suspect that the coil was bad. That isn't very common though.
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coil insulation not melted just soft look at pics of mag I posted you can see blue wire from coil has a melted spot and after further inspection black wire has same damage.coil looks undamaged just soft outer covering.

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Not getting much help on this engine. Seems a week goes by and still no definite answers to my ?'s A fella even PM me about this . Seem he has same problem at times. Well anyway I tested my coil points and condenser myself. I held on to spark plug wire and bst feeling there is in this hobby spun it over coil snapped and i got a shock . Did it a few times and got one every time. Going to buy correct new plug put some gas in it and see what hapends.

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Your first post was replied to in 26 minutes
Your second post was replied to in 2hours 3 minutes (you replied yourself sooner)
Your third post was replied to in 2 minutes
Your fourth post was replied to in 4 minutes
Your fifth post was replied to in 1 day and 3 minutes (again you replied sooner yourself)
Your sixth post was at 11:20 at night. You replied complaining about the lack of answers 11 minutes later.

Not sure what your expectations are, but that doesn't look too bad for strangers who can't look at your engines and have their own lives and other people's questions to answer.

And yes, I am at a show that I took 2 days vacation and drove 10 hours to attend. I am typing this while I wait for my father to get out of the shower so we can go get breakfast & COFFEE.

If you have magneto specific questions, you can try putting them on the Magneto board. Dempster there knows more than I ever will about them.
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Just get frustrated at times. I think you have more time than me to figure out the time lapse on each reply. What show you at ? I have spark I can feel holding on plug wire spinning it over. I didn't get chance to work on it at all . too much going on around house. I made a platform for my helper Grand Daughter to sleep on in my pick up bed . What a Job to get it in through cap and in place.

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You can view and/or download a scan of the complete manual, including the magneto info, at ASECC.com. That may help you. I would replace the spark plug wire & get a new plug & see how it looks. If you haven't done so already, I would also take the base off the engine & clean out the sludge, and make sure that the oil pump works before trying to start it.

I am at the Coolsrping Power Museum show in Coolspring, Pa. I am (again) sitting in a motel room waiting for my father to finish bathing so we can get breakfast & hit the road home. So I probably do have too much time on my hands right now,
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