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Old 01-14-2007, 11:59:28 AM
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Greetings!
It is a crappy Sunday morning with freezing rain so I am sitting here contemplating the meaning of existence, and how they get the creamy chocolate inside the hard shelled candies, and also about the early days of Oil Pull tractors?
The famous Kerosene Annie was a featured drawing card at the late Mr. Cooke's fine museum in Billings. Now, between this tractor and the Model Bs, was there a production run of tractors in the style of Annie? I am looking through a study done by Mr. Kenneth W Tingley for the Reynolds-Alberta Museum on the gasoline tractor in Western Canada and he mentions a run of 100 tractors before October 31, 1910, suggesting this led to the production run of the Model Bs? Can anyone shed some light on this?
In the meantime, here is a picture of a Model F single that is owned by Charlie at Ontario. This was taken at the Blyth show this past September. Charlie got this tractor a couple of years back from Mr. Tysse in Crosby, ND and it is a fine running outfit. Charlie is Oil Pull through and through and grew up with them. He likely has 30 or more and also has a dandy Model E - it rolled off a trailer and was wrecked 4-5 years ago on its way to a show. He has since put it back together and it should be out and about this year. Charlie is steering the F and not sure who the other gent is?
Thanks and all the best,
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Old 01-14-2007, 12:13:07 PM
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To carry on with this thread, Mr. Tingley writes that Rumely marketed it lines into Western Canada before 1908 through the main branch house in Grand Forks, ND. But by the time they started pushing their Oil Pulls, they had set up houses in Winnipeg, Regina and Calgary.
Tingley describes a major promotion in 1912. He quotes from Canadian Farm Implements magazine, "A tractor special train arrived in Winnipeg during the second week in May. From the end of the engine tender to the couplings of the last freight car this mammoth shipment was more than a mile and a half in length, being in two sections. There can be little doubt that this train is the largest shipment of farm machinery ever made in the history of the world."!!!!
He states that the train carried $500,000 worth of Type E, Type B, Type F tractors. 100 cars with 101 Oil Pulls, 139 kerosene tanks for wagons,81 threshers. Dispatchd directly from La Porte, IN, it was pulled by 4 Mallet type locos and had a special coach for Dr. Edward Rumely and included a band that played at every stop!
Now that sounds neat!
G.

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Old 01-14-2007, 01:27:13 PM
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The first 100 Rumelys that you are talking about were model B tractors. The first 10 of that 100 had high top radiators and they had exaust pipes going under the engine instead of above. The remaining 90 were early tractors with high top radiators and exaust pipes mounted above the engine. All of these tractors produced had the early side mounted belt drive oiler. That is about all I can think of off the top of my head about the first 100 production tractors. As for Kerosene Annie I have heard that there were numerous changes made by rumely while designing their tractor.
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The first 100 Rumelys that you are talking about were model B tractors. The first 10 of that 100 had high top radiators and they had exaust pipes going under the engine instead of above. The remaining 90 were early tractors with high top radiators and exaust pipes mounted above the engine. All of these tractors produced had the early side mounted belt drive oiler. That is about all I can think of off the top of my head about the first 100 production tractors. As for Kerosene Annie I have heard that there were numerous changes made by rumely while designing their tractor.
Chris,
Thanks for the above information, that clears things up a lot. As far as Annie, is she still in Billings?
And here is one for Ross? I have this picture, unmarked from the 60s or 70s. I am thinking it is the late Norm Schell's ol' E that used to come to Milton. Norm was from Woodstock, ON and had plenty of Oil Pulls. He sold the E before he passed and I believe it went out to Iowa? Not sure where he got it, but could have been from out that way to begin with?
I guess there were not too many of these big ones in Ontario in the old days? Alex Edgar told me that the county near him had had an E but ended up cutting it apart and used the motor for years on a rock crusher or some such rig. Alex's E came from North Dakota. Calhoun's F was a fixture at shows for years and eventually went to NY or PA - again, not sure if a local tractor to begin with? There is a B in the area now, having come down from Alberta, but it needs lots of work.
Take care guys,
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These pictures were sent to me by Mr. Gerald Parker of Hudson Bay, SK. They are from the show at Makoti, ND just this past fall and show a real nice pair of sweet hearts. Beyond that, I have no other info. I am sure someone from over that way will have something to add? That is a show I always wanted to attend but just never had the chance - fairly well on in the fall and sometimes they get a bit of snow!
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G.: Did Calhoun's F not come by way of Earl Davison [sic]. He was also a fixture of Steam-Era at the time, and I seem to recall when that F showed up at the show very much in it's working clothes.

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Chris,
Thanks for the above information, that clears things up a lot. As far as Annie, is she still in Billings?
And here is one for Ross? I have this picture, unmarked from the 60s or 70s. I am thinking it is the late Norm Schell's ol' E that used to come to Milton. Norm was from Woodstock, ON and had plenty of Oil Pulls. He sold the E before he passed and I believe it went out to Iowa? Not sure where he got it, but could have been from out that way to begin with?
I guess there were not too many of these big ones in Ontario in the old days? Alex Edgar told me that the county near him had had an E but ended up cutting it apart and used the motor for years on a rock crusher or some such rig. Alex's E came from North Dakota. Calhoun's F was a fixture at shows for years and eventually went to NY or PA - again, not sure if a local tractor to begin with? There is a B in the area now, having come down from Alberta, but it needs lots of work.
Take care guys,
G.
I do believe that Kersosene Annie may be in Billings yet but I am not sure. The guy that bought the stuff moved a few things but as far as I know everything that he bought is still sitting in Billings Mt.
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Old 01-14-2007, 08:23:44 PM
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Speaking of falling off the trailer -- I shot these at the Door Prairie Auto Museum south of Laporte, Indiana on Labor Day Weekend 1999.

I didn't see this happen, but I heard it. They hauled in three Oil Pulls on a trailer, with the smallest one up on top of the gooseneck, and something slipped when they were unloading. I'd have more photos, but the owner expressed his disapproval of my taking pictures.

Amazingly, no one got hurt.





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I do believe that Kersosene Annie may be in Billings yet but I am not sure. The guy that bought the stuff moved a few things but as far as I know everything that he bought is still sitting in Billings Mt.

Kerosine Annie is now on static display in Boise Idaho
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I went out to fire up the time machine so we could go for a ride and see that, but it's cold here today and the damned thing won't start, so will have to make it another day!!!
Boy would that have been something to see.
Oh by the way it is a bright sunny day here.
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Very interesting!
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Here is a video playing with Z#14 at the tractor pull in Rushville, Indiana.

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Here is a different view of Z#14 plowing. You can tell by the dust the ground was extremely dry and hard to turn over.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7Y6mOjH9hU
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Dad hauling his first 20-40 home in 1979. It was very rough, but he restored it. It had been put in a junkyard in WW2. Somehow they did not scrap it because the junkyard owner's dad liked it. The tractor was completely worn out before it went to the junkyard with razor sharp gearing. When you have Rumely fever you will do almost anything.

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Hi Everyone:

What kind of oil do the old oil pulls use in their cooling systems?
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Hi Everyone:

What kind of oil do the old oil pulls use in their cooling systems?
William,

The oil needs to allow the engine to run at 250 degrees without boiling over. It also need to be thin enough to allow the pump to easily cycle the oil through the engine and radiator sections to transfer the heat.

I don't have the Rumely manual in front of me, but if you really need the oil specs. let me know and I will find it for you.

Anyway, Mobil still makes an oil called "Mobiltherm" that closely resembles Rumely's original specification for use in normal temperatures. If you are wanting to buy some, also let me know and and I will get the actual number off of the barrel.

"Mobiltherm" has about the consistency of 10 weight hydraulic oil and is made specifically to be a thermal transfer oil.

I use the "Mobiltherm" oil, but many people use everything from straight diesel fuel to 10 weight hydraulic oil, then I have heard of mixing the two together.

I am sure that "back in the day", the owners used about anything that was available and the tractors are still around today. It probably doesn't really matter what is used as long as it flows and doesn't boil over.

Hope this helps.

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When I got my F years ago the previous owners had always used used drain oil in the cooling system. I warmed it up one day, drained out about 10 gallons, added 10 gallons of diesel fuel, warmed it up again and drained the whole mess. Then I replaced it with regular non detergent 30 weight. I haven't really worked the tractor hard since, just parades and a little belt and disc work. Seems to be OK.

On another thought. Does anybody have any idea how many B,E,F and G Rumelys are left in the world? I have always been curious about how many are still around?

Chris, What are you looking for in trade for thsoe extension rims?

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When we did a 30-60 Hart Parr we got used Hytran transmission oil FREE from an implement dealer.
Hrytan has a flash point of 475 degrees so no problem there........
Hytran is similar in viscosity to 5-30 oil so it moves freely at all temperatures.
The price was pretty hard to beat................
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Just catchin up in the lugs and cleats forum and here is a photo of Dennis Powers' 30-60 E #2399 at Rollag. Mark Pedersen is steering.
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I can't tell you much about those big oil pulls, however they put the chocolate in those hard shells very carefully!!
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