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Old 03-09-2008, 10:12:39 PM
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Default Re: Gas engines of the Henry Ford museum

That "geared creation" is called a hypercycloidal geartrain. It's basically a crosshead substitute.

Here's a video of it in action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqrpHAonn48
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Default Re: Gas engines of the Henry Ford museum

Thanks Eric,

I knew someone would know! "geared creation" is easier to say than "hypercycloidal geartrain!" I was taken by the repair that had been done on it at one time.

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Default Re: Gas engines of the Henry Ford museum

I think you mean "hypocycloidal".

A hypocycloid is the curve that is generated by a point on a circle as it rolls inside a larger circle.

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Old 03-13-2008, 02:10:33 PM
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Default Re: Gas engines of the Henry Ford museum

I better rivive this thread . The next photos will be of the Gas Engines since they have left the Ford Museum.

The first three photos are of a 1/2 H.P. OTTO Slidevalve built by Crossley Bros. in England. This engine also has the sidecrank design with the camshaft on the off side. This engine was purchased by Robert Lefever at the 1982 sale. Mechanical restoration was done by John Wilcox from the Coolspring Power Museum. The engine is on long term loan to the museum and can be seen in operation during there shows. This engine is in very good hands and I would like thank my friend Robert for having it on display for all to enjoy.

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Old 03-13-2008, 05:16:16 PM
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I found three more photos of Robert Lefevers Slidevalve Otto at the Coolspring Power Museum. I dont know how many pictures you guys want to see of each engine.

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The more the merrier Keven! Considering how uncommon these engines are, many of us won't have the opportunity to see them in person very often, if at all.
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Old 03-13-2008, 07:02:14 PM
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These three photos are of the Otto Slidevalve built by Gasmoteren Fabrik Duetz in Germany. This was lot #144 at the 1985 sale. This engine was purchased by Greg Johnson from California. Greg did the mechanical restoration.

The first picture was taken in California shortly after Greg got done with his restoration. Notice the neat display base that the engine sat on in the museum.

The other two photos were taken at the Coolspring Power Museum in Pa. The original finish on this engine is excellant. Greg had this on long term loan to the museum but has since moved it back to California. I dont blame for not wanting to be so far away from such a prized possession. This engine is in very good hands and I would like to thank my friend Greg for displaying this engine for others to enjoy.
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Default Re: Gas engines of the Henry Ford museum

"The other two photos were taken at the Coolspring Power Museum in Pa. The original finish on this engine is excellant. Greg had this on long term loan to the museum but has since moved it back to California. I dont blame for not wanting to be so far away from such a prized possession. This engine is in very good hands and I would like to thank my friend Greg for displaying this engine for others to enjoy."

Just to show that Greg's engine is enjoying its return to California you might want to take a look at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/otto/
to see a few pictures I was able to get when I had a chance to see it. It is truly an exciting piece of mechanical history.

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Default Re: Gas engines of the Henry Ford museum

I see Jay Leno is trying to start the OTTO !!!!!
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Old 03-14-2008, 09:54:09 AM
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Thanks Larry for the photos. Yes that is Jay cranking the Duetz. Keven
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The next set of pictures are of the Otto Slidevalve built by Crossley Bros. in England. This engine was purchased at the 1982 sale by a collector on the East Coast. The Engine is now owned by the Family of the late Nate Lillebridge. Nate was a good friend and I sure do miss him. He had one of the nicest collection of rare engines and he enjoyed showing them. This engine has been on long term loan to the Coolspring Power Museum since it left the Ford Museum. Mechanical restoration was done by John Wilcox from the museum and he has run it since it came to the museum.

This engine has the nice Grand Piano base on it. I believe this engine is considered the Oldest Running 4 Cycle Gas Engine that is on public display built in the late 1870s to early 1880s. This engine is in very good hands and I would like to thank the Lillibridge Family for displaying this engine for others to enjoy.

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Two more pictures of the Crossley Grand Piano Base engine on display at the Coolspring Power Museum.

This engine is a thing of beauty.

Enjoy Keven
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I believe these images are of accession date tag still attached to one of the engines.
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Keven...any chance you have the selling price for Lot # 173 an unknown compound horizontal steam engine ?

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Default Re: Gas engines of the Henry Ford museum

Keven,

I was wondering if you have a side-view photo of your Otto-Crossley horizontal engine that is displayed at Rollag, showing the overhung crank etc? There was a Crossley sold at auction in Australia recently and it was mentioned that only two of this style exist, with the other in the US, so I thought this might be referring to your engine? The Aussie one had a very distinctive slope to the oil trough beneath the crank - see discussion here:

http://tommforums.thepagesmith.com/i...pic,348.0.html

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David, I probably do I will have to search some. I did see the pictures of the one on the auction sale and they are the same style so I guess that makes two.

I think they were way off on the horse power of there engine. We only consider ours to be about 2 H.P. It is physically as big as a 10 H.P. engine. If I remember right I think there where a few pieces missing from the other one.

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Does anyone have any information on that GASTEAM engine? It looks enormous. I've never seen anything remotely like it of that size.
I tried to send a private message to Eric but was unable- not sure if he's still on the forum. Anyway, that huge Gasteam engine was at the Highland Park plant and was the center piece of Ford's Museum as it was started years ago- the museum basically build around it. I know this is years later but recently discovered that Edward Gray designed it and that my grandfather was his draftsman. I'm planning a visit to my uncle, his last surviving child and the Benson Ford Research Library and the museum to see what I can find- will post after that in September. For now-
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As long as this thread has resurfaced...the Crossley Keven referred to in post 80 was at Coolspring this year during the flame ignition expo. Displayed by Morrie Robinson.
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