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Time Traveling -- What would you use?


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Default Time Traveling -- What would you use?

In another thread I mentioned that if I traveled back in time and had to have an engine to use, I'd probably put a Mogul at the top of the list.

It made me wonder what others might think their desired work engine would be. Of course we all might like to gather up some top notch old iron and bring it back to the future with us. But, if you had to work, what would that engine be an why?

My pick, as I said, would be a Mogul for several reasons.
1. Throttle governed - I think for work purposes, a throttler is better to use
than a hit and miss.

2. Even governed - Mogul engines are very even governed when they run.You
don't have a speed up and slow down as some throttlers do

3. Availability of parts/repairs - IHC had a great dealer network in their day.
Finding parts to repair an engine could be much easier than other makes.

4. Mechanical Oiler - As long as the oiler had oil in it and the lines were connected
all major oil points such as piston, rod, mains, etc were receiving oil. No need to
depend on a half dozen or so oilers or grease cups to keep the engine lubed.

5. Enclosed crankcase - keeping the dust, dirt and debris out of the crank/cyl
area would be a big plus.

On the negative side is cost. Moguls cost considerably more than other makes of their day.

So, if you traveled back to say 1915, what would be your choice?
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Default Re: Time Traveling -- What would you use?

Moguls are good . It would depend on what it would be used for to mine would be the Associateds Muleteams and smaller ones. They are power houses and easy to keep running. Jules Vergne was a good writer way ahead of the curve, wouldn't it be neat to go back in time find a big stash of gold, and a couple Camstoppers a 18Muleteam or 2 and stash away in a cave then come back to today. That will give ya something to think about lol..
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I see your point... Those Moguls do seem to be a very fine engine... However a miner, farmer or fisherman out here in California around 1900 might make different choices... shipping and obtaining parts might be a factor as well as the fuel the engine would use... In the early days (late 1800's) it's likely that refined fuel wasn't always readily available so I might opt for a locally made engine capable of using crude oil such as a Best, Union, Hercules or Samson... most of the early California engines were well made, easy to work on and gave many years of good service.



I also like the way the Cambel oil engines run... no battery and looks like a simple and economical design...


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Default Re: Time Traveling -- What would you use?

I think lots of the simpler ones were probably every bit as dependable as the mogul, never the less Tommy is undoubtedly correct in some of the usability points he brought up.
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It depends on what era you landed in I guess. If I had a choice, it would probably be either a McCormick Deering "M"......very good runners and well engineered..........or a Stover CT for the same reasons.


Neither as glamorous as other engines by far, but I have one of each and they are WORKERS.
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It depends on what era you landed in I guess. If I had a choice, it would probably be either a McCormick Deering "M"......very good runners and well engineered..........or a Stover CT for the same reasons.


Neither as glamorous as other engines by far, but I have one of each and they are WORKERS.

Good point George. I added the date 1915 as the target time frame. I also agree that a 10 HP M (or a 15 Z) would be great workhorses for a time frame a bit later.
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Default Re: Time Traveling -- What would you use?

Tommy is right - I would also be in line to buy a Mogul. I don't know of any single cylinder engine that was better built.

Although an 'N' Fairbanks was also a very good machine.
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I would use a Delorean with a flux capacitor.........
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My family "DID" use a mogul ! 8 HP, hopper cooled on transport, I still have it. I recon they made the right decision, it was reliable in service although a bit hungry during the war time rationing and always did everything asked of it. If I went back I recon I would get another, the only difference is I think I would opt for screen cooling.

If however we were looking for a machine to run a farm not just an "engine" I think I would opt for a small tractor with good belt capability's such as an 8-16 Mogul, 10-20 Titan or maybe a Waterloo boy to make the unit more versatile and easier to shift. The old mogul used to get shifted fairly frequently and it was renound as not being too easy to set up.
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Tommy: Of course me being from the Lincoln Nebraska area I would say a Cushman single or twin as they were made in twins up to 20 HP. They are a fairly smooth running engine and the weight to HP ratio compaired to like the Mogul is quite a difference. The ones made around the 1915 era had roller or ball bearings and crank case Oiling. Now I do like Moguls.
There are quite a few English made engies that are high quality but expensive and heavy. Just my thoughts or input. - Ted - PS - The Cushman single cylinder engines being a good quality engine and were still being used in India up till a few years ago.
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Whatever engine you take with you, just hope you don't end-up in Salem in the early 1700's. You'd probably be burned at the stake for being a warlock.
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I would use a Delorean with a flux capacitor.........
Really? I wouldn't travel through time and space in anything less than a MK 4 TARDIS. It's bigger on the inside so one could gather up quite a few engines and not have storage space issues.
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I would use my knowledge of the future to play the stock market, & become the richest man in the world, who would not have to worry about using a stinkin' old engine!
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∆thinking about buying into "apple" or google.....
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Mietz and Weiss would be a good choice Charles
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Well if 1915 was the year you would have to say the Standard Gas engine was the best as it won the gold medal as the best engine at the Panama Pacific International Exposition in San Francisco that year, best it well could be but not practical, Cushman , Detroit or Newway would be practical, Personally I would choose a Rumsey Williams vertical portable because their a great looking engine and would be good advertising if you went out on contracting work.
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I think I agree with Tommy on the Mogul line, they are a nicely built machine. For a work engine I would want something that was a throttler with bronze bearings, mechanical lubricator and closed crankcase. A lot of the engines I have worked on were worn from lack of lubrication and dust/ debris in the air getting into the open bearings and moving parts. Running engines in grain elevators, a threasher or grinding feed with an open crankcase is not an ideal situation for mechanical longevity.
However being that I'm a machinist for a living I probably would have just built my own engine with bronze bearings and bushings on all moving parts. Properly machined fits with proper lubrication will last for years.
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Good points Tanner. I added the enclosed crankcase feature as a plus in my opening comments.
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You didn't mention for what purpose. If it were for a farm, I would stick w/ my horse/mule. I have always loved good ideas , but hated change. If the old way worked, why change. Gas powered washing machines just made the women bigger
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