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Default Alpha DeLaval (John Lauson) 1918 sales book.

I recently acquired a 1918 Alpha De Laval sales book. I believe these engines were build by John Lauson.

If you have one of these engines from that period, just tell me what size engine you have and I can scan that page and email it to you for free.

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Default Re: Alphe DeLaval (John Lauson) 1918 sales book.

When De Laval built new buildings in Peterborough, it included engine manufacture. The works covered 15 acres and had over a mile of private railway tracks, and was opened in the fall of 1913.
Other products included cream separators, feed silos, and a full line of creamery, cheese factory, and farm supply machinery, of course dairy/milking equipment.
Engines were made from 2 to 28 horsepower.
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Default Re: Alphe DeLaval (John Lauson) 1918 sales book.

Good day ,
Are you sure they made engines there ? I have one ....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biNoBTfwUmk

but always thought it was just retagged to compliment the milking machine equipment .Interesting would be nice to know for sure ,the water pump has De Laval cast on but is the same as another pump .Cheers Mike
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When De Laval built new buildings in Peterborough, it included engine manufacture.
It is possible but I never had any concrete evidence that De Laval built engines in Peterborough. If they did their engines were identical in every aspect to the engines built by John Lauson. My De Laval engine book has a page showing the "Lauson" tractor.

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Default Re: Alpha DeLaval (John Lauson) 1918 sales book.

I have a 5hp Alpha this is after 1914-15 it has the 1915 carb and not the patented1908 type mixer on it, exactly the same as a Lauson, I kind of wonder if they maybe had all the castings shipped in from John Lauson and put their name tag on it or added their equipment to it. Also Gene Fischer sent me a Delaval book reprint he has it has the 1908 patent carb, the ones with a long pipe and choke in middle, it has a 1913 co ,or printers code at the bottom, they put number real small on front ,or ,back pages usually.. By the way the serial number on this 5 hp is 25097 and originally came from Maine I was told..
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Good day ,
Are you sure they made engines there ? I have one ....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biNoBTfwUmk

but always thought it was just retagged to compliment the milking machine equipment .Interesting would be nice to know for sure ,the water pump has De Laval cast on but is the same as another pump .Cheers Mike
On Facebook, yeah I know a dirty word, I created a group The John Lauson flywheel group, that engine is identical to the Frost King Jr, I just picked up no.2359 today from Ceder Rapids Iowa, on the Lauson group on the very top pinned is a little history of the John Lauson co , most engines Delaval tagged are the Frost King Jr . That article was in the GEM from 1975??, I have been searching for Delaval history on the Lauson engine connection, and maybe find some build date records and maybe they can be dated ,and also apply to Lauson to. Supposedly all Lauson build dates where destroyed around 1955,also I have been told and in this article the serial numbers are ALL consecutive no matter the horsepower rating to, at least that is the way I read it. when the W series came about IMO I think that was chaged..
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There are 26 pages to my original 1918 Alpha Engine book.
Here is a scan of page four, the first page with engines on it.
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The scanner I have I haven't used for a long time, also don't want to post to much of Gene Fischers book he was selling them below is the 1913 engine and the printer code . Dont want to hijack Dennis thread either. If Gene wants to post his it would add to your thread on Alphy engines!! To see the time line of changes they made and maybe when done. Notice carb and back of engines and the type of igniter, real early where a nukle type and tripped all the time ,later had the sleeve on sidebar that raised the trip and would save wear and battery..
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Rich, seems like there is not much difference between the 1913 and 1918 Alpha De Laval engine books. Here is page six from my book.

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Rich, seems like there is not much difference between the 1913 and 1918 Alpha De Laval engine books. Here is page six from my book.

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I will have to fire up the old computer when I get time and the scanner, notice the carbs are different, the book I have has the same engine on a cart with the old style 1908 Lauson patent , it has the long pipe that goes in head, the 1915? carb they went to is flat. That is what I was talking about, minute changes to Lauson and Alphy engines in advertising can put a somewhat timeline on when they changed things. Kind of what I started out doing on the Lauson group, a gentleman uploaded a bunch of Lauson advertising, including manuals, Lauson Power magazines that has the tractors in it to, in pdf form, that is the hard part to copy that from the group to here, and a LOT of pictures.. There is also another patnet on early Lausons on the brass timer advance lever of 1906, the early carb is stamped on the side patented 1908, the flat carb was a improvement to!!, the flat one vaporizes better when cold..
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It is possible but I never had any concrete evidence that De Laval built engines in Peterborough. If they did their engines were identical in every aspect to the engines built by John Lauson. My De Laval engine book has a page showing the "Lauson" tractor.

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My guess is that when De Laval came into Canada and set up in Peterborough the licence that was in affect in the states with Lauson was extended into Canada at that time aswell and parts/castings were made in the states and sent for assembly in Peterborough same as they would have been for the us buildt De Laval/Lauson engines.Canadian engines had their own tags.Does anybody know if Canadian and US De Laval engines carry the same serial number range as each other or do they fall under the Lauson serial numbers?
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There are 26 pages to my original 1918 Alpha Engine book.
Here is a scan of page four, the first page with engines on it.
Got to looking again this picture turned out somewhat better , book is grainy to. But the 1908 carb can be seen better in this 1913 catolog same pictures as your 1918 only slight differences, and a good way to put a date on them or close.. cant figure out how that got sideways it is right on dumb phone lol sorry
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Default Re: Alpha DeLaval (John Lauson) 1918 sales book.

I made a deal on this DeLaval Alpha and so far everything I see makes me believe it is a Lauson Frost King. Not sure on year of construction, but it would be in the 1918 era. It is a 1.5 Horsepower engine.
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Does anybody know if Canadian and US De Laval engines carry the same serial number range as each other or do they fall under the Lauson serial numbers?
Until proven otherwise, I firmly believe that all engines tagged as Alpha DeLaval Dairy Supply Co. of San Francisco, California, or tagged as Alpha DeLaval Co. Limited in Canada and/or tagged as John Lauson Mfg. Co. engines to one and the same engines; all sharing a common set of serial numbers.

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All I have is the following article from the September 1913 Canadian Farm Implements magazine. I hope this shows up okay? It is from an online source. My original is a bound copy of all of 1913, but is too hard to manipulate on the scanner without damaging the book, unless I had help.
One can say that there were high tariffs in place to encourage made in Canada. That was especially true in farm implements until a trend toward freer trade came along near the end of WW1. Freer trade made products cheaper in Canada but destroyed Canadian home industry very quickly. Witness the 21st century and what unrestricted trade with China has done to North American industry. Same thing, different time.
Anything else I can say, and the rest of you can say, is 100 speculation, opinion, and wishful thinking. Sadly, once those opinions are expressed enough on a public forum like this,they become fact in many minds.
We need to do some in-depth research at Peterborough to see what information is available. What did De Laval have for a foundry at Peterborough, for example?
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As Rick says, nothing we have right now proves the actual construction of the DeLaval Alpha. Most likely, it was like many items of the era. A Canadian company was licensed to build or assemble engines designed by someone else. At the time, tariffs on a complete machine were up in the neighbourhood of 30%...parts were 17%. Until more proof arises, we just don’t know exactly.
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All I have is the following article from the September 1913 Canadian Farm Implements magazine. I hope this shows up okay? It is from an online source. My original is a bound copy of all of 1913, but is too hard to manipulate on the scanner without damaging the book, unless I had help.
One can say that there were high tariffs in place to encourage made in Canada. That was especially true in farm implements until a trend toward freer trade came along near the end of WW1. Freer trade made products cheaper in Canada but destroyed Canadian home industry very quickly. Witness the 21st century and what unrestricted trade with China has done to North American industry. Same thing, different time.
Anything else I can say, and the rest of you can say, is 100 speculation, opinion, and wishful thinking. Sadly, once those opinions are expressed enough on a public forum like this,they become fact in many minds.
We need to do some in-depth research at Peterborough to see what information is available. What did De Laval have for a foundry at Peterborough, for example?
Thanks I have read that Lauson didn't have a foundry to make their own castings until 1915 also and just done the machine work at New Holstien Wisc. , and never have read where the foundry castings came from before then. Would you mind if I use this picture for the Lauson group?? The more questions that are raised and information that can be gleaned will help us all, thanks...
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Rich,
Please PM me and I will try to get a better scan of that picture.
Here is another view of the works.
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DeLaval ad from the same magazine and dated the same day as the announcement of building a large factory in Peterboro.



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