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Lambert hoist engine converted to traction project


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Old 02-12-2014, 05:52:37 PM
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Kinda like th guy with the old non running sports car up on blocks in his garage that puts a fan on the hood, wraps a scarf around his neck and sets out there after dark for a 'ride'.

I do have a concern with your steam dome. The large flat top, with what looks like an on corner weld could be an area where the weld becomes fatigued and fails from the root out. In general, on corner welds are a bad design choice for welds that recieve repetative loading, and are frowned upon in boilers.

Is there any way to use a domed top, or redesign the weld joint, or add angled stays to the dome?
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Old 02-12-2014, 09:07:56 PM
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There was a model at a show built that way but that still doesn't make mine correct. I'm thinking the fix will be to turn the top down smaller drop it down in the cylinder about 3/8 and weld. While it is off some angle stays will be added to support that 8'' across flat top. I'm putting some engine parts on now and its to fun to stop. I'll come back to some fixes later. Criticism is welcomed.
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What you have outlined is good. Put a bevel on the top with enough gap between the top and the dome (pipe) to get a full penetration weld.

On the angle stays; put a slight bend on the end that will weld to the inside of the dome so that at least two diameters of the stay is laying flat against the wall of the dome. This will give a decent area for welding fillets on both sides of the stay. Make the stays as long as practical to keep the angle as shallow as possible. Where the stays come thru the top, bevel the hole in the top and get a full penetration weld.
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Really enjoying the pics of your build, looks like you are moving right along- keep us updated! I am surprised the usual Stak Boiler Patrol has not been on your case to nit pick every little thing... maybe you can get it done before they notice.
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Thanks, I just kind of make it up as I go. No castings. Built on the cheap. I got tired of tripping over the steam hoist and wanted to do something with it. It's to late to turn back now.
What is with the ends of the stay bolts being welded over?

That water column setup is dangerous and not approved by ASME. The pressure can actually spread the pipe and pop the glass out.
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Default Re: Lambert hoist engine converted to traction project

John are you useing a mig to weld it up or stick don't know how thick your top is for your dome but you could bevel the edges and could have welded it from the inside and then done the outside just a thought.
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Old 02-15-2014, 04:48:07 PM
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I got this old winch at a 100 mile yard sale last summer when this project was in the dream stage. I wanted the worm and gear that was on it. It took 2 hack saw blades to cut the drum off the gear. The rest is black iron pipe, lock collars, big washers, 1" bar stock and hardware store bearings. 28 to 1 ratio.
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Must be a common practice as original engines are becoming more scarce. I recently sent out a twin cylinder Bycyrus Erie Steam Shovel engine with reverse linkage to the Midwest to be used on a traction engine. I was told it is becoming popular as original engines and parts are hard to find, and enthusiasts want to get their machines running again.
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My favorite chain in now 2' long but it went to a good home. Went to True Value to get some shackles and found these porch swing springs. There pretty stiff and kind of look like they belong on a steer chain.
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Don't have much to show today. Made the front draft door out of some stove parts. If your building freelance drill a 3/8 hole in flat stock, slide it over a 3/8 bar and you have infinite door settings. Ever stood on the back of a Case? Look at the fire box door hinge pin you know were I stole the idea. It looks like Lambert owners had trouble locating were the ashes are pulled.
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It looks like Lambert owners had trouble locating were the ashes are pulled.
Looks like raised lettering too - where did you acquire that? Almost as neat a touch as your smokebox door logo!

The adjusting rod is a nice touch as well - though I can't think of a reason it wouldn't be either fully open for cleaning or fully closed in operation. Maybe things behave different on a scale engine, but generally air from the front can allow uneven combustion and/or "cold" air on the tubes and tube sheet.
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You are correct. Leave the front door closed when you have steam up. It was just a easy way to hold the door open, but works great on the rear damper.
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Made the exhaust. The steam went in the top and out the top when it was on the winch. After scrapping all the crud off I discovered a plug in the bottom of the steam chest. This engine was made to run the exhaust steam out the top or bottom! How great is that! It looks like it belongs on top of a boiler this way.
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Thanks for a great idea on your door, being infinitely adjustable. Was just figuring how I want to hold the draft door open on my outdoor heating boiler I'm building. Now I know.
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I think you are going to need to rework your exhaust. As the exhaust pipe heats and cools. It will grow and shrink in length. That movement will cause quite a bit of stress on the threaded connections.

A better method would be to weld a formed flange to the pipe and bolt the flange to the smokebox with the bolts only snugged and double nutted. This allows the flange to move against the smokebox and avoid the flexing and strain on the threaded joints.
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You could put a Swing Joint on it, That would allow for expansion & contraction without damaging anything.
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Most scales are pretty solidly mounted and I don't know of any that had issues in that area. A 250 degree change over 2' is only .040".
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I would have installed a union in the exhaust line between the engine and the smoke box for ease of removal of the cylinder if problems ever arise, or bolting a flange to the smoke box as said earlier. jsut a thought to make it easier down the line should problems arise. BV
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Fellow Stakers, I may not reply to all the post but that doesn't mean your being ignored. It helps to see things through more than one set of eyes. Some of these ideas will be used some won't. I'm heading to the basement now I think I just come up with something.
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Put the piston in the cylinder. The bore is nice and smooth. Put the slide valve and rod in. The slide link lined up good in the bracket. There are two bolts under the brass gibb to take up slack and 3/4 turn was all it took from dead bottom to snug! So far I don't think the engine was use that much. Slash cut 5 separate rounds of packing and put the valve rod gland on finger tight for now. I wiped out the steam chest and slicked up the parts with some green velvet steam oil. Cross head guide bar set right in the stand. Put the globe valve on and it's 400# wog and 125#wsp. bronze.
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