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Old 10-23-2006, 12:03:29 AM
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From the times I've visited with you, I didn't think you sounded like a jock.
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Watched the "Canadian Antiques Roadshow" this evening. They were from Vancouver. Some guy brought in a victrola and it worked and it was driven by an alcohol powered Stirling type engine It had a neat little reciprocating engine and all. It just made me wonder if anyone has seen any odd-ball stuff like this that was steam powered? I recall seeing a dandy little British made reel type lawn mower powered by an upright boiler. It was a real piece of work. Anything?
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You start the most interesting threads... I bumped into this one. It is from the late Mort Christensen's photo collection and is of a Jacob Price engine, built by J.I. Case with upright boiler and double cylinders.

I wish I knew where this photo came from. Somewhere, I have a scan I copied from John Davidson's photo collection too. Since Mort was from Montana and since I'd read the article in the Iron Men Album several years ago about the Manhattan Malting Company, I was wondering if perhaps this could be a photo of that engine? Manhattan, Montana (A little smaller in size than Manhattan, NY.) is located in Montana's Gallatin Valley and that article told of how the company used one of these engines to break and plow with and this was in the late 19th century. The story told of the number of acres they plowed and the days it took, but it was phenominal for that time period, as I remember.

Montana is well known for some of the finest malting barley in the world. Anheuser-Busch is the largest purchaser. I am only assuming the Manhattan Malting Company had something to do with the "barley pop" industry, a favorite adult beverage among many cultures and parts of the country.
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I am placing a photo of the Manhattan Malting Company here, now that I have found the picture.
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Old 10-25-2006, 10:42:00 AM
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I found another picture of Chady and Lyman shaking hands, with the C Aultman Monitor in the background.
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Old 10-25-2006, 10:59:55 AM
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Watched the "Canadian Antiques Roadshow" this evening. They were from Vancouver. Some guy brought in a victrola and it worked and it was driven by an alcohol powered Stirling type engine It had a neat little reciprocating engine and all. It just made me wonder if anyone has seen any odd-ball stuff like this that was steam powered? I recall seeing a dandy little British made reel type lawn mower powered by an upright boiler. It was a real piece of work. Anything?
G.
I have encountered lots of stuff. Some of it, like a steam powered rocking chair, was modern made stuff by people having fun. Others, like steam powered lawn mowers, was from the age of steam.

Leyland Steam Motor Co., later to become British Leyland, built the steam powered lawn mowers before they built trucks. There are a couple of originals still around, plus a replica built by British Leyland apprentices. The Rough & Tumble group has another example built by Coldwell of Newburgh, NY.

My favorite area of study is steam powered aircraft. Prior to 1900, the internal combustion engine had not been developed to the point where it could power an airplane, so the early aviation pioneers used steam power among others. While the airplanes themselves were not a success, the steam plants they built were remarkable. John Stringfellow built an engine for his steam model that had a 3/4" diameter piston, a two inch stroke, yet weighed only eight pounds. The boiler for the engine of another aircraft he built in 1866 developed slightly over one horsepower, developed a pressure of 500 lbs, and still weighed only 40 lbs. I doubt it would pass today's boiler code; some german apprentices were building a steam plant for an aircraft built by another pioneer; and were told they could not construct it exactly as built for that same reason.

I am currently a contractor at a major airline, and have a paper model of another pioneering steam powered aircraft, Clément Ader's Eole, hanging over my cubicle full of "steam stuff". The webpage at:

http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/pioneers.html

Is a good place to read about the early pioneers; plans for paper models of many of the early aircraft can be downloaded for a small fee on the Fiddler's Green website at:

http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/index.php?pg=order&cat=efm

William Henson's Arial Steam Carriage is another favorite, and will be joining the Eole in the airspace over my cube soon. It was the starting point for Stringfellow's experiments.

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I found another picture of Chady and Lyman shaking hands, with the C Aultman Monitor in the background.
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I can only speculate....but I bet Chady was congratulating Lyman on the C Aultman Monitor outpulling a 65 Case on the brake.
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This has a lot of "earmarks" of the 32hp & RL Case engines... Except for the double simple motor . It is a George W. Morris and he was principal designer for the new style spring mounted Case engines. He had J.I. Case build this and other engines for him on contract.
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Gary - Thanks a million for the Morris engine picture. That double was 8x12 cylinders and built on a 32 Case boiler. He also built a single in that size but I can't find the data at the moment. Before going to Case, Morris and Company built engines and threshers at Brantford, Ontario. He sold the company to Edward Ingleton and here are a couple of cuts of his "Conqueror" engines also made in Brantford. I feel these were the Morris designs. These are from late 1880s, engine is rear mounted, center crank, feed water heater, water tank under platform, etc - ring any bells????? Did the famous Case traction engine line get its start in Brantford??????????
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Not sure if you would say that Northwest engines are oddballs but in my travels, I only ever recall seeing a couple of them. One sits outside the Western Development Museum at Yorkton, SK and the other one I saw many moons ago at Danny Roen's place. Someone will know where that one got to I suppose? These images are from 1907 Canadian Thresherman magazine. One is a CC at Brandon, Manitoba, the Robert Melvin outfit pulling 8x 14s.
Oh, I need to add: "Northwests Are Nifty".
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Old 10-26-2006, 06:51:02 PM
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the picture of the JACOB PRICE is fantastic how tall are the drivers on that engine?
as posted earlyer in this thread what is a odd ball? how many built or how many left?
thanks a ton for the picture of the remington high wheeler thats only the 2nd one ive seen
does anyone have any pictures of a birdsall? if they are to popular for this thread maybe G could start a birdsalls are___? thread.
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I think this was probably a "Best" that was used to haul borax out of Death Valley. I took the picks at 9:30 am & it was already 115 degrees there in Furnace Creek. Shoulda been easy to fire it.
This was taken in June 1995. I didn't see any evidence of the motor anywhere around .
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the picture of the JACOB PRICE is fantastic how tall are the drivers on that engine?
as posted earlyer in this thread what is a odd ball? how many built or how many left?
thanks a ton for the picture of the remington high wheeler thats only the 2nd one ive seen
does anyone have any pictures of a birdsall? if they are to popular for this thread maybe G could start a birdsalls are___? thread.
Coal Dust? - Birdsalls Are Bubbly ?????????????? Here's the one at Rollag.
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New Hamburg is a small town in Southern Ontario and New Hamburg Manufacturing also made steam power in the late 1800s-early1900s. They were better known as a thresher builder. I know of 2 New Hamburg engines, an 18 or 20 hp in WDM Saskatoon (pictures Chad?) and another in Ontario. The Ontario one is a stretched version of WDM's and has had an extra section of boiler barrel rivetted in behind the smokebox so it is maybe a 22hp?
They looked like a pretty good engine, Woolf valve gear.
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More New Hamburg - They didn't built a lot of engines, but seemed to have many variations - they had some with humped-back fireboxes, others with regular straight, and some portables. There were basically two lines, 16, 18 and 20 hp for Ontario and straw burners for the west in 22 and 25 hp..
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G Willikers,
The smokestack on the right engine in your last post is identical (as in same as) to the one on my 15hp Case.

I apologize for not being able to find a picture with the spark arrestor completely down inside of the smokestack. Most all of my other photos have the cone behind the smokestack, as not only does it arrest sparks, it also nearly arrests fires in the firebox.
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Here are some New Hamburg portables, wood burners. They state they would build portables from 12 to 25 hp. Plus, they offered a similar line with the straw burners. Also a shot of their straw burning fire box. I guess they used the humpback style here to get more combustion space.
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Gary - New Hamburg seemed to borrow from a lot of builders. Having seen the existing ones, there are some features of Waterloo, Sawyer, Robert Bell on them. Here are some more pix,
- Ontario style 18hp.
- front view of 25 hp
- rear view showing straw door/chute.
Western style were 18hp 9x11; 22hp 9 and 1/2x11; 25hp 10 and 1/2x11.
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G Willikers,
This is oddball and likely so scarce that none were ever made, but these are pictures of the Twin City steam engine of 1919, prototype of the Minneapolis Steel and Machinery Company. It looks like it would have been a dandy engine.
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Gary
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"TWIN CITYS ARE TERRIFIC"
Tell us more amigo!
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Watched Peter Holt and J.R. Simplot duel on the bidding on Oscar's Best steamer. Quite a show. It was a record price at the time and that was BEFORE the lovely buyer's premium that auction company loves to use was factored in. Will say, though, that Holt looked mighty happy at the end of the bidding. He picked up the old 60(75?) cat and a smaller military style crawler at the sale, too.
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