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Where are all of the 32 Reeves?


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Old 06-04-2009, 10:16:39 AM
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Default Re: Where are all of the 32 Reeves?!?!

What happened to the wheels and gearing on the Barnes' 32hp Canadian Special?

Also, some have round spokes for the rear wheels and some have flat spokes, what determined the style?

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Old 06-04-2009, 11:15:33 AM
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Jeff,
The wheels were removed at a sawmill in the Little Belt Mountains (the western boundary of the Judith Basin). I don't know if they were taken off as part of a scrapping operation or whether they were taken off "for speed" in the sawmill operation?

The cast iron round spoke rear wheels were the originals on the 32hp when it came out in 1904. These were all states or US engines, mainly because of their lapseam Brownell boilers. Then in 1910, when Alberta clamped down on the engines entering there, the engine companies had to go back to the drawing board.

Reeves had their new 40hp engine introduced as a "US" engine in 1909. The strap style steel built up wheels were standard on them. So in 1910, Reeves developed the "Canadian Special" with their butt strap (Broderick Brothers boiler, later Titusville Ireon Works) for import and made the built up style wheels standard on all Canadian Specials, except the Highwheelers. (They had a different style of steel wheel.)

Before 1912, when Emerson-Brantingham bought Reeves, Reeves began offering the steel built up style wheels as an option on the US engines. Mark Pedersen's 32 US double simple Reeves #6660 is one of those examples.
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Gary,

Dare we add Austin's 40 Peerless to the "made up" list? It does have the 32 Reeves boiler & drivers

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Old 06-04-2009, 11:33:35 AM
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Beth...
And smokestack! That's up to you. I know you have "lusted" over those extension rims too!?!?
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Gary,

By weight, it could be more Reeves than Peerless....

Yes, those extensions sure would look neat on our 32....Rol was trying to get me to make up a set of extensions for my Port...

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Default Re: Where are all of the 32 Reeves?!?!

Beth,

Your list shows the 32 that Smeal bought in Kentucky. Wasn't that a double simple, making the 32 cross-compound that Gary has pictured their second?

Gary,

Is Barnes' 32 a canadian special? If so wouldn't that mean it needed the built-up wheels?

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Say Gary,
What are the differences in just the engine of a 32cc US and a32cc CS? Is it just radius of the engine mounts for the larger barrell/wrapper sheet?

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Old 06-04-2009, 03:19:43 PM
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Frank,
Smeals already had the 32hp cc US when they bought the 32hp ds at auction. And The Barnes 32 is Canadian Special and should have the strap built up steel wheels. Who knows what someone would go through to make it a traction engine again.

Beth,
Austin's Reerless is more Reeves!

Tony B.
The engine parts are the same internally. The castings are different in how they mounted. The US motors (engine proper) bolted down into steam space. The US engines didn't have a wing sheet at the rear, but used "corner brackets" for their countershaft and axle boxings. The Canadian Special mounted onto a riveted on angle in front and into the wing sheet at the rear.
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I wish I had extension rims for my engine, but with cast wheels it is not something that could easily be made. someone told me that mt pleasant has a pair at the gate. what a waste, they should be on the engine they were made for.
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1908reeves,

Yes, they do have a pair of double wide extensions setting one on either side of the gate opening. The reason I was given, and has been given to so many others, is that the engine won't fit through its current storage doors with them on. However, I've also heard she would squeak in with them on too...but the end result, they are temporarily mounted to concrete pads marking the main entrance to the grounds.

I hope to one day hear that they make their way back to the engine though...as I do believe many others feel the same as I.

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Old 06-05-2009, 11:17:59 AM
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The Smeal 32 cc serial number is 6459. Don bought it from Dennis Powers from Ogden Iowa. Dennis bought it from Niel Miller of Alden Iowa.

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Hi Delwin,

Thank you for the number on the 32 CC.

Has any progress been made on the former Derting 32 DS to get it running? We looked at it during the auction and it was interesting comparing to our 32 CC Canadian.

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1908reeves,

Yes, they do have a pair of double wide extensions setting one on either side of the gate opening. The reason I was given, and has been given to so many others, is that the engine won't fit through its current storage doors with them on. However, I've also heard she would squeak in with them on too...but the end result, they are temporarily mounted to concrete pads marking the main entrance to the grounds.

I hope to one day hear that they make their way back to the engine though...as I do believe many others feel the same as I.

Lawrence
Lawrence,
I'd be willing to bet at least $10 that the Canadian Special 32hp Reeves with 24" drivers and 24" extension rims aren't a bit wider than the 110hp Case with 36" drivers and 12" extension rims. I've heard they didn't want the Reeves to look that imposing. I'm including a picture of her at right with those extension rims still in place at the Canadian museum.
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I was looking into getting insurance on my 32cc and was asked what the value of it was. Can anyone give me a figure to use, or what the few that have been sold have gone for.
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The 25cc had the same rear wheels as the 32cc, right? Did the 32 have a larger boiler/cannons/axle/engine frame/etc.?

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I was looking into getting insurance on my 32cc and was asked what the value of it was. Can anyone give me a figure to use, or what the few that have been sold have gone for.
Some are going to jump in here and say the last one sold for 155K. not sure if that an accurate aprasial due to major auction sale hype.(possible uncontrollable bidding ) Private sales are usually a different story.
Did Willis able own two of them... those US ones Gary posted pics of? would be interesting to know what they brought. although thats pushing 10 years since the sold?
Id say it would be real tough to value it. Barnes' haven't sold there 32 Canadian stationary yet. either there price is high or theres a lack of serious interest? In these times of tough lap seem regulations and poor economy id put a value of 100k on a US lap. and 150-175 on a decent CDN Special. (those are non auction prices) other people may have different ideas.

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The 25cc had the same rear wheels as the 32cc, right? Did the 32 have a larger boiler/cannons/axle/engine frame/etc.?

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The 25hp and 32hp used the same size front and rear wheels. The 25 fronts were 12" standard, but if you ordered extension rims for the rear, the fronts were upgraded free of charge, for the same 16" front wheels as the 32hp.

The bull gearing, axles, cannon bearings or corner bracket boxings, were all larger or of different pitch and wider on the 32s than the 25s.

The 25hp double simple used the same boiler as the 32hp cc. The 25hp cross compound used the same boiler as the 20hp double simple. The 32hp double simple used a larger (longer barrel and longer firebox) boiler than the 32hp cross compound. The 32hp ds boiler was the impetus for the 40hp boiler; only the 40hp had larger diameter driver wheels and bull gearing, requiring the cannon bearings to be placed further apart, resulting in the 40hp boiler having a taller firebox to accomodate that needed extra height.

Rule of thumb... Reeves generally used the preceeding size smaller DOUBLE SIMPLE boiler for the next size larger CROSS COMPOUND engine. There have been examples of special order boilers, confusing the issue, but they are rare and most occured in the Emerson-Brantingham era of 1912 to the end of production... sometime in the early 1920s. I have 1924 advertizements for Reeves, proving they were still attempting to sell them, but consensus is that there were none to few produced after circa 1920.
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Default Re: Where are all of the 32 Reeves?!?!

Colin, the price of $155k was for a 32 double simple. He was asking about a cross compound. I would wager a cc would be less, because the ds is MUCH rarer, and has the larger boiler on it.
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....the 32 Reeves whether DS or CC....should STILL be worth more than the 32/110 Case.....

But seriously, the value of any engine is actually what the seller is willing to accept and the buyer is willing to pay for it. We wouldn't take $100,000 for our 32 CC Canadian Reeves. It isn't for sale.

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"We wouldn't take $100,000 for our 32 CC Canadian Reeves"
Ah Beth, you're mixed up and half delusional like usual... i put a value of 150-175 on the Can. special^^read above again. i think the We is more like your bro and sister inlaw, and ive head she has different ideas...
too bad they wouldn't hurry up and sell that CS DS in Montana before the seriously interested guys are either dead or burnt out. (and before the engines rotten right out) that ones in a league of its own. i dont imagine they'd have any trouble getting 2 or 2 1/4 for it right now
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