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Where are all of the Buffalo Pitts Steam Engines?


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Old 10-06-2009, 11:45:39 PM
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Default Where are all of the Buffalo Pitts Steam Engines?

As I have seen some past Buffalo Pitts forum. I am interest to put out some history and where do any Buffalo Pitts steam engines exist in USA or any part of country?
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15hp simple up in Holland, MI in my back yard. Year is unknown, but believe it to be one of the later ones. Have guessed at 1912-ish.
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Ken Eder has one.

Here are two pictures by Steve Barr.

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20 hp in Rossville Illinois......
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There is a 25 hp single side mount at the Central North Dakota Steam Threshers Show in New Rockford ND.
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Default Re: Where are all of the Buffalo Pitts steam engine?

This is the Anderson's straw burner 35hp at Rollag.


This smaller one is still setting beside Interstate 90 in Washington State. I just saw it last week. (This is an older picture of me however... I assure you I didn't look this good last week!)


There is this portable in Twin Bridges, Montana.


Maybe some of our Australian friends will chime in? They seemed to get a lion's share of them, through International Harvester Company.
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The Pitts that you talk of in NewRockford ND is owned by my family. I believe it was a 1906 vintage and is not in running condition anymore. I think that the front tube sheet was thinned and also one of the seems on the wet bottom needed to be re-caulked if I remember correctly. I miss seeing it run. It was unique indeed. I also remember going through the parade of engines with it in probably 1992 when former Governor Ed Shafer was campaigning. So it has more history than just history of its work life.
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Hi to all,
I have seen two Buffalo Pitts steam traction engines in Melbourne, Australia, two years ago in a steam engine club museum. One in restored condition and the other one as a static engine for now.

Here you have the restored one:







I really enjoy visiting the museum. Lots of interesting engines. Thanks again to the club members for the tour around the sheds! Hope some of them are registered here on smokstak!

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Here you have the unrestored Buffalo from Melbourne





Is this a straw burner engine? I saw it had a strange firebox door.

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There are several Buffalo-Pitts engines in Europe. In Belgium there is a 10hp traction engine, built in 1882(?), and a return-flue traction engine #282, built in 1893(?). In England there is a 22hp traction engine #299, ex-Australia.

I have also seen pictures of a Buffalo-Pitts traction engine on outdoor display in the town of Carahue, Chile.

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I have documented 143 Buffalo Pitts and Buffalo Springfield portables, traction engines, and steam rollers worldwide. (Sounds like David Parfitt identified another one, so 144.)

A lot of them were exported to Australia; there 65 still thought to be remaining in the country.

Preston Steam Services also has/had a c.1920 Buffalo Springfield roller for sale. That accounts for most of the engines overseas; the remaining 75 I have documented are in Canada and the U.S.

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Jim -

Of the 144, does your data tell you how many are purely Buffalo Pitts? How bout 15-16 hp?

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Of the 144, does your data tell you how many are purely Buffalo Pitts? How bout 15-16 hp?

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97 are Buffalo Pitts. Only one 15 HP to date, a portable in Victoria, Australia. Nine 16HP traction engines.

I am guessing the Buffalo Pitts in Chile is a portable, and part of a large collection there.

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Hi James

No, the one in Chile is definitely a traction engine - you can see some photos of it here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarminy...7619486535387/

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Hello stakkers;

I can confidently say there are well over 100 Buffalo Pitts in Australia, as I have 90 recorded and I haven't see them all, yet!

A majority are wrecks, many just boiler and wheels. Scrappies smashed the cast iron engines of. Also they could be used as stationary engines due to the cast engine bed, as opposed to the more common English engines that came here.

As nearly all are thin, lapseam boilers, keeping in steam is also a problem. At a guess there might be about 25 steamable right now, some further ones under restoration.

David Parfitt, the 22 in the UK, made up of 2 TE's is definitely not #299. Just a typical Pom thing to do, they made the number up. It has the thin, cast grips on the rear wheels, so likely to be an earlier one (for us), say around 1904. 5000 or 6000 range perhaps.

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Hi Andrew

Thanks for the information on the B-P in the UK - I didn't realise that it had been made out of two engines, or that the number was wrong. I've attached a photo of the plate below, so most likely this came from another engine or is a replica with a new number added? Perhaps it is possible to tell from the style of plate which of these is the case?

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Dave, I don't know what has been done with the plate, but that engine is not anywhere near No. 299. It was partly scapped before recovered for preservation so I imagine the brass plate would have been missing.

Before anyone thinks that Australia got most of the Buffalo Pitts engines produced, we were just a good export market. Our scrap men can't have been as thorough as in North America, and hence a larger proportion seem to survive in some shape or form here in sunny Aus. The majority would have been sold to North America, like every other Nth American make. As BP went out of business earlier than most, I can only assume that the engines were worn out and scrapped earlier than other more plentiful makes in preservation over there.

James Hefner points out that there are at least 75 Buffalo products in Nth America, yet only a handful seem to be taken to shows. Why is this? Are they only lap seam boilers and therefore not as desirable as a butt strap boilered TE??

Of these Buffalo Pitts engines in Europe, did any actually go there new? I think one old TE from Reynolds Museum was sold to Europe in preservation.
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Andrew, I think all of the Buffalo-Pitts engines in Europe are preservation-era imports. In fact, I'm not even sure if there are any originally-imported US-built traction engines or portables left in Europe? I remember reading something in "Steaming" magazine about a Buffalo-Pitts or Buffalo-Springfield convertible steam roller (I think) in Norway, but that is all I can think of off the top of my head.

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Jim -

Not sure if it is on your list, but the late Carlton Johnson in Clio, MI had a 15hp single. It is an older style engine with round spokes and no extensions off the side sheets off the rear of the boiler. He passed away a couple years ago. Not sure what his son has done with it.

Per your data, it is pretty exciting that I have one of the few 15 hp units left.

My engine has been to the Riverbend Steam & Gas Association's show for the last 11 years. Beyond that, it doesn't get far due to lack of ability to haul it.

Yup, there are not many showing up at shows, but I personally know of 5 engines of other makes within a 40 mile radius of my house that haven't been out or shown for the past decade. 1 owner lost interest, 3 are in estates, the 5th owner doesn't like crowds. Guessing that is similar across the country.

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Pete, Andrew, David;

Thank you all for your inputs.

David; regarding your questions about American imports; I would hazard a guess that the portables currently preserved in Italy and Serbia were imported prior to the preservation era. There are several Case engines in Europe; I don't know if all of them came over during the preservation era. The Lombard log haulers in Finland also come to mind.

I will also note that the Buffalo Pitts in Chile is a traction engine. There is a huge collection at the Museum de Maquinas a Vapor in Carahue with three traction engines and 35 portables.

Pete, I had Carlton Johnson's engine listed, but as a 16 HP. It was one of the nine 16HP engines I mentioned.

In terms of overall sales, did Buffalo Pitts sell a lot of traction and portable engines? They certainly sold a lot of steam rollers in the Buffalo-Springfield era.
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