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Old 03-27-2007, 01:18:12 AM
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I looked through all my books and not many tractors, steam or gas had 10' wheels... Great find though... and I would definitely go over the area with a metal detector
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Old 03-27-2007, 05:58:23 AM
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http://www.steel-wheels.net/pioneer.html shows a pioneer. Looks close.


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Pioneer has 9 ft diameter rear wheels
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Old 03-27-2007, 10:06:54 AM
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Do you have a picture of the front wheel you said you found with the drive wheel? Keven
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Old 03-27-2007, 11:07:54 AM
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The front wheel is not out of the sod yet. The tip of the hub and the edge of the rim are exposed. There also appears to be at least one 18"-24" transmission or sunflower gear with the teeth on the gear's side. That also is sodded in. Stay tuned for more pictures. There is about 18" of dirt on the old iron site so we will be doing some digging. However, probably not until late May. I will post whatever else we find. It would just be fun to know what the wheel (s) fit.
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Old 03-27-2007, 09:23:09 PM
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Found this while looking for a obituary, I also noticed the Hart Parr 40-80 had this same configuration for a rear wheel gearing although I have no information to support its size and the lugs do not match.
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Old 03-27-2007, 11:08:15 PM
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The 1909 Hart Parr catalog states the std wheel for a 40-80 is 8'2"
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Old 03-28-2007, 09:42:52 PM
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Thanks Tom!

Still looking for a Obit tonight and I ran across a oddball tractor to keep in mind, again I add I have no further information other than the lugs match and it has a fairly narrow rim also uses the same gearing setup. Hume Mfg Company
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Bruce,
How did you get that critter home? Did you lay it flat and go like heck being it was overwidth, or did you stand it up?

See you the end of April.
Dave
Dave, I'm Bruce's brother and I'm the one that hauled the wheel home from the sale. I did lay it flat on the trailer and managed to sneak home with it without getting caught. Needless to say it hung over some on each side, it really is a monster wheel! Anybody come up with any more ideas on it?
Hope to see you at the swap meet in a couple weeks.

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Old 04-08-2007, 09:40:25 AM
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I have changed my thoughts on this wheel from a tractor to a Combine, I believe this came off of a hillside machine that needed the large diameter for the offset required to drive on a hill side, they apparently used a sliding pinion to drive some the internal workings of the machine like the cutter parts and rasp wheel? anyhow after descibing this to realtives that are still living in the area thats what I am going with, it appears to possibly be from a massey harris but pictures are scarce of combines in the 20's I do know there was a Good case dealer in Long Lake and another further west I thought in Lemmon so I am guessing on the manufactuer, I did find there was correspondence in the American thresherman with custom threshers coming out of the south as they do today, so it is possible this machine may have been brought north with them and maybe abandoned, I hope some one will see this and look in their literature and help, by either supporting this theory or refuting it, I did find a F&H ad showing they were making combine wheels.

I was surprised to find that they were fooling around with combines out in California around 1898 or so, however they really were not talked about in the magazines till 1929 and then they really were the rage in the 1930's even with the depression going on
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Old 04-08-2007, 10:17:26 PM
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I have changed my thoughts on this wheel from a tractor to a Combine, I believe this came off of a hillside machine that needed the large diameter for the offset required to drive on a hill side, they apparently used a sliding pinion to drive some the internal workings of the machine like the cutter parts and rasp wheel? anyhow after descibing this to realtives that are still living in the area thats what I am going with, it appears to possibly be from a massey harris but pictures are scarce of combines in the 20's I do know there was a Good case dealer in Long Lake and another further west I thought in Lemmon so I am guessing on the manufactuer, I did find there was correspondence in the American thresherman with custom threshers coming out of the south as they do today, so it is possible this machine may have been brought north with them and maybe abandoned, I hope some one will see this and look in their literature and help, by either supporting this theory or refuting it, I did find a F&H ad showing they were making combine wheels.

I was surprised to find that they were fooling around with combines out in California around 1898 or so, however they really were not talked about in the magazines till 1929 and then they really were the rage in the 1930's even with the depression going on
Glenn, Do you have any pictures of early hillside combines? I guess it's possible although this is not country that would really require a combine of this sort. It's rolling but not steep hills so don't know. According to my dad the practice of custom cutters from the south selling there machines up here once they were done was not uncommon, at least in the 50's. Do you have any other pictures of French & Hecht literature?

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Default Re: 10' Steel Wheel Driver

Anywhere there's farming in the foothills of mountains you'll find hillside combines. Washington state has many, as do Colorado and Montana. Maybe it's the bullwheel for an early combine that was drawn by horses, using ground power to run the machine.
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For what it's worth, I found a picture of a large "steam wagon" built by Joseph R Brown from Minnesota in 1862. Built in New York for $9000, it was shipped to Nebraska City to use as a freighter. It featured an upright boiler and four engines of 10hp each. On it's maiden voyage, it broke down after about five miles. Before it could be repaired Mr. Brown learned that his family had been captured in the Indian war in Minnesota and abandoned it. According to the article, it served as a playhouse for the Winslow and Morton family children through the 1860's. Some of my ancestors SE of Lincoln used to sell trees to J. Sterling Morton for his little project that is now known as Arbor Lodge.
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Old 07-19-2007, 12:06:20 AM
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Bill, is there a chance you could post a picture of the Brown steam wagon?
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Old 10-20-2007, 11:14:24 PM
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Finally made it back to do some more looking at the site where the big wheel came from today and dug up a couple more pieces that possible could have come from the same machine. A front wheel was dug out of the dirt that is 66 1/2" in diameter. Pretty sure it's a front wheel as it has a skid rim on it. Also found a large shaft with a gear attached, possibly differential? This has a part # of 59 H. Will post some pic's in a few days when I get a chance.

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It's been awhile since I looked at the bull gears, but could it possibly be off of one of the Emerson Brantingham "Big 4" 45's?
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Here is a Advance Rumely hillside combine. But it doesnt have very big wheels though...
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Hillside combines generally dont have wheels that big. Im from steep hillside wheat country and have seen alot of old combines. About 6 ft. Diameter max is the biggest I have seen. I was just looking in Wendel's tractor encyclopedia, and noticed that the Gamer tractor has a fairly large rear wheel with the same type of gearing on the rim. And judging by the guy driving the tractor, I would guess that the rear wheel has to be in excess of 9 feet diameter. Just another guess.
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The cone lugs look like the ones on my Big 4 "20". If it were an Emerson - what about the Big 4 "45"? Just one of those left but not sure if the wheels were bigger than on the Big 4 "30". Just a thought??
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Here is the best picture I have of the Big 4 45 wheel.

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Hello, as promised I will try to post some pictures of the stuff we dug up yesterday. The front wheel is 10"x66 1/2". The hub is made in two halves and riveted together. The differential shaft, if that's what it is, 4 1/4"x 69". There was also another rear wheel that is 28"x60". Would this be a road king wheel from a 27-44 Twin City? As for the Big four 45 I believe they had 99" drivers.

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