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Old 11-24-2018, 01:12:11 PM
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Hi everyone,
I have a 1937 lister D engine, that I have just cleaned out a few kg of rust from its water jacket. Itís now much lighter to move around!!
What can I paint on the inside of the water jacket to stop it rusting every time I empty it out?
I plan on painting the outside with Tractol paint. Can I just paint this on the inside as well?
Will I need to apply something first to change the rust into metal?
Can I pour this into the jacket for a few days, then drain it out, let it dry and then paint?
Any suggestions will be greatfully received.
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Old 11-24-2018, 10:26:24 PM
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Default Re: Lister D water jacket

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Is your D a hopper cooled or tank cooled?

I wouldn't paint it at all. Get as much rust out as possible and when you run it with water in it just pour some engine oil in with the water. When you drain the water the oil sticks itself to the sides of the jacket. Also drain the water just after a good run. If it's hot when you drain, the heat will get rid of any residue water.
That's what we do with our D's and it seems to be working OK.

Love the Lister D. How could anyone not love them

Cheers Scott
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Thanks scott,
My lister is a hopper cooled version, so that idea makes sense about draining it off when hot to evaporate off the residual water.
I have read about using soluble oil in with the water, but trying to find it in Ireland!

What about treating the rust thatís in the hopper now? Should I treat that rust so it doesnít spread or just clean out the worst and leave it?
What about treating just the very bottom of the hopper (the cylinder head bit) and leave the top bit plain?

I have the engine half stripped now, just trying to remove the flywheel key now, and mine is being a pain!!

Thanks for the ideas so far.

Jon
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I fill the hopper with pickling vinegar and leave it sit for 2 weeks, then drain and flush with garden hose at the same time so that the sludge does not get a chance to dry hard first. Leaves the metal bare and shiney, works great for me everytime. Cheap and efficient.
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Old 11-26-2018, 11:49:50 AM
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Pickling Vinegar! I wanted something a bit quicker than 2 weeks!!
Impatient i know.
So what is the best chemical version that can work quicker and either harden the rust to metal or remove the rust completely?
Thanks for your suggestions so far.
Jon
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Phosphoric acid will convert rust to a black phosphate. I believe Loctite makes a product called "Extend" that does this also.

You could also do the electrolysis trick to reduce the iron oxide back to iron, but you need to coat it with something quickly after the electrolysis to prevent flash rusting. Electrolysis is a pretty amazing process that should do pretty good inside of the hopper.
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Old 11-27-2018, 01:38:43 PM
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I have done electrolysis before on a item I had, and it worked great.

The thing is as it works best on Ďline of sightí and I can manage to do the to part of the hopper by carefully placing the metal through the hopper and out the other side.
But the crankcase bit of the hopper I canít get the Ďline if sightí I need, as itís to small.

So I was hoping to pour something in this bit to stabilize the rust, like phosphoric acid as itís probably only about half a liter area. Then draining this out the drain tap and pouring something else (paint?)into it to seal the metal so it doesnít rust as quick.

I will keep reading up on hopefully find something I like the sound of!

Thanks for help so far.
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How about using a modern commercial engine cooling system cleaner?

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Default Re: Lister D water jacket

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Hello
Is your D a hopper cooled or tank cooled?

I wouldn't paint it at all. Get as much rust out as possible and when you run it with water in it just pour some engine oil in with the water. When you drain the water the oil sticks itself to the sides of the jacket. Also drain the water just after a good run. If it's hot when you drain, the heat will get rid of any residue water.
That's what we do with our D's and it seems to be working OK.

Love the Lister D. How could anyone not love them

Cheers Scott
+1 for adding a few squirts of oil to the hopper water when hot.
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