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1914 IHC Famous Causes Truck Issues


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Old 01-16-2013, 10:17:13 PM
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Default 1914 IHC Famous Causes Truck Issues

The 10 hp Famous engine is loaded and the trailer hooked on my truck but it pulled the truck down 7 inches at the drawbar. I can get air bags installed locally for around $600. Is that the way to go? Anyone have experience with air bags? No I don't want to buy a new truck.

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Old 01-16-2013, 10:20:51 PM
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Default Re: 1914 IHC Famous Casues Truck Issues

Ah, I see you do what I do to move them, bobcat with forks!

Sorry, can't help with the truck issue. I use one of our work trucks, an F550.
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I think you'd be better off with a load distribution hitch. Hope you have brakes on the trailer.
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What does your trailer look like and where is the engine setting on the trailer?
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Trailer is a 10K car hauler and engine is loaded up front so I can loade an 8N Ford tractor on the back of the trailer. Engine weights around 2800 lbs. It's not the ideal way to load the trailer but works for what I want to do. Brakes on the trailer are good.

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Default Re: 1914 IHC Famous Casues Truck Issues

Way too much tongue weight is not good for 1/2 ton trucks. You really need to distribute the weight. How is the load distributed when the tractor is loaded? If you are going to pick up the tractor at a different location I would slide the engine back, then move it forwards when loading the tractor. I've got progresive overloads on my truck and have no problem with that much drop. Watch it Dodge rears on the 1/2 ton trucks are not very strong. I've knocked mine out twice in its 220k miles. Everyone I know that has lost dodge rears had the same issue. The pinion bearing goes out and tips it out of alignment with the ring. When that happens you are looking at expensive parts to replace. So pull gentle with the old workhorse. If you have to drive long distance take care, the axle bearings aren't made for that kind of weight for extended miles to.
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Default Re: 1914 IHC Famous Casues Truck Issues

You need to move the engine back a few feet. For that truck you should not have any more than 750 pounds of tongue weight.
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Well I can say, I have a 1999 1/2 ton Ram, and I have put loads in the bed of if that most people would question putting on a 1 ton truck, then I hook my 18 foot Beaver tail trailer on behind that with engines and tractor and the old girl has no problem with the load. Never lost a rear end or a transmission. 200,000+ miles on the Ram also.
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Default Re: 1914 IHC Famous Casues Truck Issues

When you put your tractor on, it will do a lot to nuetralize the tongue weight. If your just hauling the engine, load it over the axels, just slightly forward.
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Default Re: 1914 IHC Famous Casues Truck Issues

They are correct. You need to move the engine back. That much weight needs to be over the axel. It is very dangerous to drive a vehicle with that much float on the front. You have little stability or control in a panic situation. And most of the time it will be someone else who causes the panic siruation. Bill K
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Default Re: 1914 IHC Famous Casues Truck Issues

I would bet you have a class 2 hitch on the truck and you have went way over it's tongue rating the way things are loaded.
In fact I would bet you are close or over the towing capacity of the truck right now.
Most 1/2 ton trucks are rated around 6500lbs give or take a little.
Air bags are a big NO NO as They place a lot of pressure on one small point of the frame causing the frame to fail at some point.
A load disturbing hitch will help a lot in leveling thing out but you are still over loaded.
By the way if you are over the towing capacity of the truck or the hitch and have a accident you will be in deep ___ cops are not dumb when they see the load and how small your truck is?????
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Thanks for all the replies. You have certainly given me food for thought. Both my sons have 3/4 diesel trucks so maybe I can use one of theirs. Aren't my kids toys my toys as well??? But then I would have to deal with their wrath as well.

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You do need to install a load leveling hitch, but I agree, too much tongue weight. Bad for truck, and bad for trailer as well. I had a 1996 1/2 ton Dodge, with the 318 CID engine, and it wiped out the sinterred spider gears 4 times in the 120000 miles it was in service. They in turn wiped out the rear 3 times, all under warrenty, thank goodness. Trans blew twice too - the truck refused to stay in drive, at speed. After many adjustments, it blew its guts out, litterally (all the internal parts, and the trans pan, on the ground!), at the dealership, after one adjustment too many! They replaced the trans, but not the computer, so they didn't fix the original issue, not staying in drive. A 1/2 ton truck will not pull the full load you have on that trailer, for long. The 3/4 tonners are a better option. You must better balance the trailer. Check your tongue weight with the full load first. If you remove the tractor, and want to drive for any distance, you must move the engine back from the tongue, in order to balance the load on the trailer. All that weight on the tongue and the front axle on the trailer, is not good.
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Default Re: 1914 IHC Famous Casues Truck Issues

Like I mentioned in another thread here if you look at the tow rating on anything less than a 3/4 ton I bet you will see a *. After you tear the manual apart you will eventually find a footnote that says * means when properly equipped. Finding out what the proper equipment consists of may be yet another research project and when you do figure out what that equipment is it may not be practical to implement it. Don't assume that the 'towing package' is the proper equipment. Over the last 30 years the towing rating of some of the trucks has more than doubled with no obvious changes to the basic structure or mechanics. All I can figure is these new ratings must be due to all this 'proper equipment'.

If you have ever towed a load with a proper tow rig you will never go back to the way you used to do it even if you were lucky enough to never have anything bad happen when you were doing it the marginal or flat out wrong way.

If you plan to tow with any regularity you just have to 'bite the bullet' and get a big enough rig to do it with a safe margin.

The insurance companies and DOT folks are paying a lot closer attention to 'private' rigs these days.
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I did some more homework. My truck is rated 7000/700 (7000 lb tow capacity/700 lb tongue capacity). The trailer and engine are 6100 lbs so basically I'm at capacity now without the 8N tractor. With the engine up front I'm at 1600 lb tongue weight or way over capacity.

I slid the engine back on the trailer and it looks much better although I haven't had a chance to to check the tongue weight yet.

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Looks great!
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Default Re: 1914 IHC Famous Causes Truck Issues

Old "rule of thumb", 10%-20% of the trailer weight should be on the hitch. Do this and your trailer will tow pretty good. If the toungue is to light or to heavy the trailer can sway violently and possibly end up in the ditch. We all have stories of things that we have gotten away with but that doesn't mean that poorly loaded trailers should be regular practice. Jboyer, the load lookd pretty good in its new spot.
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One thing the scale house checked on my truck was the 2 5/16" ball rating. They asked me to disconnect to check the stamped rating as well as measured the shank size.

It wasn't something I ever thought of before, but fortunately the ball and hitch was rated the same GVW as my trailer.
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I am now at 6100 lbs trailer weight and 585 lbs tongue weight so I should be in good shape. I could even slide the engine forward a little. But now I have almost 8 ft of unused trailer space at the front of the trailer. But better to be safe.

Jeff

---------- Post added at 05:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:07 PM ----------

Below is a link to an excellent publication from Fred Whitford at Purdue on towing farm equipment including trailers. Mulligan makes an excellent point about the ball rating. Everything needs to be considered including the receiver, drawbar, ball and hitch on the trailer along with safety chains.

http://www.ppp.purdue.edu/Pubs/PPP-83.pdf

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