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Old 05-27-2018, 08:31:57 AM
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Default 1935 Twin City FTA

Just picked this up yesterday, runs pretty good needs some tweaking here and there but I already have the fenders more straight than in the pics. Has a TC top radiator tank but it is a 1935 21-32/ FTA for sure. Seems to be a solid ol tractor, may have to see how this one pulls a plow this summer.
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Not bad looking old tractor Russ, my 35' KTA has TC on the radiator tank. We both have the same 3 T C models now. They grow on you, don't they. My FT idles so nice just wish I had a set of lugs so I could plow with it. Would a set off a 22-36 fit, the bolt spacing the same. Jim
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The radiator top is correct for a 1935 FTA.
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Default Re: 1935 Twin City FTA

Russ, I am curious about the information displayed on your tractors serial tag. Is the tractor tagged as an 21-32 (FT) or an FTA as they are two distinct models. The FTA was introduced in 1935 so I can see how both new and old stock parts would have wound up on the same tractor.
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I can get a picture of the tag, from what I remember the lower left says 21-32 and the lower right says FTA, I suppose HP and Model respectively.
I have a problem maybe someone could help out with.
Got the tractor home and had noted that the oil was a little milky. Decided to change it, sure enough there was a little water in the pan, not much but I think most of what was there mixed in the oil pretty good. Went to 30 weight oil, opened the filter housing and found no filter. As I was going to run it this weekend I put it back together. I should note at this time, when I pulled the filter housing drain plug there was a rod sticking down a bit, seemed spring loaded.

I started the tractor and the filter housing leaked, had to stop and change the o-ring. Started it up and in a moment the exhaust started to smoke out the shop, it was bad. Now black oil is leaking out the exhaust gaskets and running down the side of the block.
Before I changed oil, it didn't smoke an ounce. Does anyone have a filter housing cutaway view for this or a KTA? I'm pretty sure I did something wrong, sure the valve guides probably need attention but I pulled the valve covers, started it and im pretty sure its over-oiling, oil was shooting out the rockers pretty high. The guage is old, but it says 30psi , I thought originally it was high anyway, but...……….
The second time I changed the o-ring in the filter housing that rod dropped down out the hole a little further, by the way. No steel parts in the drain bucket that I could find.
Help, what did I do?
Also, had this old muffler laying around for years, good ol thick steel and it fits.
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Default Re: 1935 Twin City FTA

I am no expert when it comes to the pressurized lubrication systems on these tractors but I don't believe there should be anything behind the filter housing drain plug. There is however the relief valve located right near it, which is spring loaded. Pressure should be around 25psi.

Going back to your serial number tag, that is interesting about the tractor having both the 21-32 and FTA dedignation. It was my understanding that the 21-32 designation was dropped once the tractor was re-rated and renamed. But, just about anything was possible during these crossover years.
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Russ, here is a cut away photo of the oil filter assy. and also a picture of the filter element cleaning instructions. I hope this helps. I use the same oil filter as the MM G. Jim
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Jeff, here are the plates, I haven't looked at enough of them to know much. I wonder though if the engine serial numbers ever match or get close.
Did these ever come with rubber tire gearing or special speeds at all? Seems like first gear is kinda fast.
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My 12-20 serial numbers are one number apart from motor to chassis.
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Photobucket finally allowed me to dredge up this old picture I had of one that a friend had me get running for him years ago. It was stuck but we got it loose very easily and it ran really well. He sold it soon after at an auction, don't know where it went. Its been long enough that I couldn't remember much about it except it was very tall on rubber tires.
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I have never heard of a road gear in these tractors, maybe that was an option on the Industrial model? The FT had two forward speeds where the FTA had 3.
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Default Re: 1935 Twin City FTA

21-32 or FT had 3 speed as well as FTA starting in 1929. Early 21-32 1926-29 had 2 speed. FT had 4 1/2 bore (381) where FTA had 4 5/8 bore (403)
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I have never heard of a road gear in these tractors, maybe that was an option on the Industrial model? The FT had two forward speeds where the FTA had 3.
I have a 1938 with factory 12mph road gear. When I was a kid and we ran several 21-32's it was great when moving fields but not so great in the field as you lost a field gear and it has 2nd gear too fast for gumbo plowing so you found yourself in 1st a lot creeping along but the other 21-32's would pass you as they never went lower than 2nd and in many times could plow in 3rd.

I have thought a lot about the days when we ran them. Most in this area were converted to LP. My 1938 is still on LP
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Thanks to Jim's drawing I did some testing last night, ordered a repair manual but won't be here right away. I backed the pressure down from 30 psi to 25 and had less oil running down the block but still smoke out the exhaust. I'm betting on valve guides but by that time my theory has always been to do the rings also. Its probably going to the show as a stationary exhibit this year unfortunately.

Still, I got a darn good deal on this tractor and i'm not disappointed a bit. Afterall, how many times have you bought a good running tractor and wondered about the internals? This tractor has darn good compression and seems to get even better every time I start it, if I take one apart and discover I didn't need to do rings I never feel like I wasted any time. Sort of peace of mind mechanics you could say. And when I find something that needs attention i'm actually relieved I found it

I am thinking about a further test on the valve guides, I may just re-route the oil lines for the rockers back into the lifter valley and see what happens. For the show, we will change oil to 40w non detergent and try a good accurate guage on the pressure, see what happens then. Our show is the first of august and its plenty warm enough then for heavy oil. Plus, if I find the guides are for sure the problem, I may try to install some temporary valve stem seals.
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Slobbering out exhaust means unburnt fuel. I would say stuck or broken rings. Guides would give you blowby. Guide weren't really an issue with MM's. Let it run for a while to see if it quits slobbering.
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Here is a list of the optional gears listed for the FTA.
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Slobbering out exhaust means unburnt fuel. I would say stuck or broken rings. Guides would give you blowby. Guide weren't really an issue with MM's. Let it run for a while to see if it quits slobbering.
Yeah, its time to take it apart and look. I tested it some more last night, the smoke is getting a little bit less but at higher rpm the oil is coming out more. Pulled the plugs and the top of the pistons are pretty wet, looks like number four cylinder is the worst with number one second and the center two are damp. I never had much luck freeing up stuck rings by running any length of time, seems like.
Anybody know the width of the rings on these and the number, etc?

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Makes me wonder now, thanks. I drove it around a little bit and tried every gear, it was getting dark and at one time I wondered if I was in first gear, tried it again and just thought there wasn't a whole lot of difference between speeds or that they were all faster than I was used to on my Internationals.
Not sure just yet, anyway, didn't run it terribly long as I haven't checked lube levels on the rear and had some gear noise. I need to replace the center clutch plate or drill new holes as its ringing pretty badly, been drilled once already.
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Makes me wonder now, thanks. I drove it around a little bit and tried every gear, it was getting dark and at one time I wondered if I was in first gear, tried it again and just thought there wasn't a whole lot of difference between speeds or that they were all faster than I was used to on my Internationals.
Not sure just yet, anyway, didn't run it terribly long as I haven't checked lube levels on the rear and had some gear noise. I need to replace the center clutch plate or drill new holes as its ringing pretty badly, been drilled once already.

Russ this is a FTA Twin City. Gear noise and the ringing of the center plate is normal! When you are plowing that ringing goes away. I can't guess the hundreds of hours I have set on the tool box riding on the 21-32 as a child and the hundreds of hours running one pulling a 3-16 Moline plow. Those sounds you are wanting to get rid of are normal and music to me.


You are making me want to get me a rusty old beater just to run in the field again.
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3-FE123 and 1-FE 433 . Just a standard 1/4 ring x 4 5/8 unless someone has been in there. Have a set of HC blocks,heads and pistons that came off a 21-32.

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You can take blocks off and reinstall without removing bottom end. Tricky but can be done.
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