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Old 10-04-2018, 08:59:04 AM
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Terry , Is the log hauler that is at Cedar Valley in Osage Iowa a Lombard or a Phoenix. It is operational each year at their show.
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the Osage Phoenix has a saddle water tank.
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Terry, I've got one for you in aluminum if you want it. I don't think I will be casting any more, at least off my current pattern, it's starting to shed letters. At the time I made it I didn't think I was going to make more than a few copies.
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I just watched the recovery videos again, all I can say is this guy is hardcore! What a restoration!! It would be nice if you could convince Paul to get on here and tell his story.
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When it comes to Lombard's Paul is relentless! (LOL) We,
in the small Lombard community, call it the Lombard lunacy - we all
have it to a certain degree!

Attached is a photo of Paul getting some throttle time in No. 38 (circa 1907)
which is a beloved part of the collection at the Maine Forest & Logging Museum in Bradley, Maine.
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What is the purpose of the rollers on the inside of the treads, kind of look like a second set of treads at the bottom. They are not on the Phoenix that I’ve seen
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but normally on vehicles with treads you would have bogies, or wheels with suspension and framework that push against the track from the inside, providing both better ground contact and tension. I'd imagine that the "tread within a tread" design is meant to be a more durable and harder wearing type of bogie. It seems rather silly to me as military tanks use wheels - an internal tread would just be another trap for detritus. I would think the flat profile of the inner tread frame would mean the outer tread would present a flatter profile to the ground. For what that's worth.

Still, I wouldn't want to get a sapling stuck in there...
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Good Question,

Lombard designed his machines to operate primarily on iced snow roads. The flat runner and roller chain system keep the track flat which not only aided traction but also preserved the smooth surface of the road. Interestingly Lombards very first patent filed in November of 1900 and granted in May 1901 - the tracks were like a cog belt and the sprockets were similar to cog gears. When they tested it during the winter of 1900-01 they found out that snow and ice quickly filled the tooth slots in the track and caused it to come off. He than quickly changed to sprockets and track pads pierced through for the teeth and were thus self cleaning.

He did in fact develop a boggie wheel system which he applied for in 1906 and was granted in 1907. This design was at the center of the Holt V. C.L. Best equity suites. Lombard only built a handful of machines to this design before abandoning it. The problem he stated was the "trunnions" kept breaking on the wheels.

Attached is a photo of the machine sold to a firm in Lathrop Montana which
was at the center of the holt v Best & Lombard lawsuits and counter suits. You can see one image is marked "Exhibit G" and was submitted by C.L. Best as evidence. Lombard was brought into the fry when C.L. Best, having purchased rights to the Lombard patents claimed that Holt had violated Lombard's patents and filed a counter suit. (Cletrac also bought the rights to the Lombard patents)

Interestingly Lombard did offer a boggie wheel system on some of his later gasoline powered machines such as the 15 CS-88, 20 ton GT and 8 ton model "T". These were articulated designs (see image). These were intended for municipal and construction work where the roller chain system experienced high wear. However he continued to provide the roller chain setup for machines used in snow right up till the very end. Running on snow and ice a set of Lombard tracks had a life expectancy of about 7,500 miles. In 1917 the early British tanks had a track life of about 30 miles. To give you a point of reference the 20 ton GT was designed to haul a load of 20 tons on the back platform plus a train of wagons. It was powered by
a massive Climax engineering six cylinder (6x7) engine rated at 145 hp
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What is the purpose of the rollers on the inside of the treads, kind of look like a second set of treads at the bottom. They are not on the Phoenix that I’ve seen
both the Lombard and Phoenix use a pair of roller chains inside the tracks,
one on the outside of the sprockets and another inside
they like an endless roller bearing between the flat track pads and a fixed surface.
the Lombard roller chain is all on the lower part of the track assembly
and the Phoenix roller chain goes over the axles close to the top of the track.
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both the Lombard and Phoenix track assemblies pivot on the main center shaft to follow the terrain.

the Linn tractors used a similar setup with a flexible roller bar for uneven surfaces.
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Any progress on this awesome project?
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Hello Mike,

Paul is working on some of the little things. At the moment he is working on getting the track pins forged. When the late Bill Lynch forged the heads on the track pins for the museum's Lombard he had fabricated a neat die. Now we can't find it!

Adventure, adventure!
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