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Default ID Lathe Please

I picked this lathe up about 8 years ago for 500 at a welding shop
took it to my dad's as I had no room at the time.

only used it a couple of times my dad was using it when I had the room and could use one as we got more into the engines
but didn't what to take from him now it's a storage table in the mean time I bought a 13 regal I use here

I could use a other one some times so going to bring it up has a 16 ''face plate 4 jaw the 3 is a little worn someone dressed the jaws up if it's not true will split it and add on a 8'' off shore one I have one on the regal and is good for what I do

mine only takes 1 ''threw the head this one 1 5/8 witch would be better
the only id I see is on the inside of the cover


it has a angled bed
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Old 07-07-2017, 10:57:15 PM
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Default Re: ID Lathe Please

That green looks kind of Grizzly-ish, but just guessing. No data tag anywhere? Although it looks like you might need to unbury it to find one
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Default Re: ID Lathe Please

Best source of lathe info is probably: http://lathes.co.uk
Three columns of mfgs. Usually shows pics.
You might also help narrow search by measuring swing (center to bed clearance) and max length between centers (chuck to tailstock when moved to far end.)
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Great website
looked at a to c so far not one lathe so far with a slanted bed
it seems to be 32 between centres and 18 swing

has a nice 16 face plate 1 1/2 thick
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the chuck on it now is 7 1/2 ''
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I was back on the website lots to look at
so I googled metal lathe slated bed and showed a few it seems it may be a Willson
the second picture is the same chuck I have and the knobs look a long the same lines as the base
will go back and see if the tag holes are in the base
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Hi Brian
That is a really nice lathe. Has a Taiwan look about it, but I'm not sure. Looks like you can thread metric also. What size MT in the tail stock ? #5 maybe? Is it a 6" dia thread taper lock chuck?
Try posting on hobby Machinest or practical Machinest forums.
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Martin
it's just mt 3
everything seem double size of my 13 regal that is well used and i'am happy with it
so this one should be fine.
the gear box is a lot louder but there's trans oil in it will change that over to thicker oil had the cover off just one large gear has teeth worn on one side from not letting it stop before changing gears it's the large one that goes from high to low

what is a good oil for this


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Willson Slant-Bed Lathe - Elliott "Ensign" Lathe made in England

this picture seems to be the same as mine
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Brian P,

I think you nailed it, it's a Willson. That odd slanted bed design and odd green paint had me thinking British, plus you being in Canada reinforces that idea. As to the sort of oil needed in the headstock and the apron, it's specified right on the feed and speed plate in one of your photos. You need to find a Shell distributor or look up that name brand oil and find an equivalent. I seriously doubt that will be a heavy oil, though, more likely something around SAE 20 at a guess, probably with some sort of corrosion inhibitors etc.

Looks to be a fairly stout lathe, but with limited top speeds (bad for small work) and a very limited range of threads in the QC box. Still, though, for bigger work it should do a fine job. But please, please clean the crud off the bed! That stuff is death to the sliding components.
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Anyone know why or what the benefits are to having the bed slanted like that?
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It seems for the same size lathe can put bigger shafts with out a cut out in the bed
and being a angle most all chips and ribbons slide off

one post said lot of newer machines have gone this way but the angle facing in

as for speed I am use to the regal witch turns just over 600 get good finish for what I do
so the new one should be a bit better

and it is same foot print but much heavier and like the 18'' swing and the 500 bucks 8 years ago helps

some one wrote this on a lathe site
It's called a Wilson Slant Bed lathe and as said is for Swarf clearance. Virtually every modern, and some old, CNC lathes have a slant bed so that the Swarf rolls down, usually onto a Swarf conveyor. It's more usual now to have the slant the other way so Swarf falls forwards, and that is how my Traub Tnd350G is.

I don't makes to many threads will d0 them on the regal looking for a smaller lathe with higher speed
I don't make a living with these old tools just for working on and making engines
not sure where it will all go in a 20x20

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Trade you two Chinese for your Wilson.
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"Anyone know why or what the benefits are to having the bed slanted like that? "

That's a really good question, and one I was asking myself. I can think of several good reasons related to transferring the forces generated by the cut into the bed to angle the bed the opposite way, but this is a bit of a puzzler. All I can think of is, metal lathe designers try to get the ways spaced as far apart as they can (improves accuracy), and this is a good way of doing so without increasing the footprint or casting too much extra metal. But then again this is British so who knows what they were thinking. The British are a very innovative and inventive lot. That's a very good thing, but once in a while they come up with something that isn't all it was advertised to be. I don't see this design as being harmful but given that lathe designers have not adopted this concept en masse (read: the Japanese and Chinese have not stolen it) implies it's not beneficial, either. As usual this opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it.
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It seems for the same size lathe can put bigger shafts with out a cut out in the bed
and being a angle most all chips and ribbons slide off

one post said lot of newer machines have gone this way but the angle facing in
I do not see how this would allow for a larger dia shaft as you would still be limited by the way closer to the chuck. Unless they did a gap bed on just that way?

I was thinking I've seen the ways slanted towards operator on some other machines, but the only one I remember for sure being like that was a crank grinder, Berco IIRC.
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