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Freeing the Standard Modern Lathe From it's Crypt


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I purchased this lathe longer ago than I want to admit, it was in a previous life where I had 4800 sq ft of warehouse and a crew at my fingertips. Shortly thereafter I lost the warehouse, and my crew, and ended up moving the shop into a 2000 sq ft warehouse, it was wall to wall machines with no room to work. I ended up selling most of the machines, but although lots of people made offers on this lathe, my answer was "Its not for sale"

So the deal I made with friend on moving that Mori Seiki lathe was he helped me get my lathe out, we started on the job today. Its a Standard Modern 24" swing x 36" C-C with multiple chucks, collet closer, monster face plate, and a taper attachment, and a Dumore Tool post grinder/milling/slotting/drill. As far as getting it out, its not going to be easy, I think they placed the lathe, then built the rest of the trailer around it. We pulled out most of the tooling today, and got the lathe unbolted from its angle iron stand, going to try to remove the drive motor this weekend to give a little clearance for lifting.

Many people over the years have said I should keep it in the trailer, but that whole setup was built when people were only 5' tall, friend and I both nailed our heads at least a dozen times today, its a trailer of pain.
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More tooling.
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Any chance they made it so that the top of the trailer pops off or up in some easy way?
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Was the trailer a old Army bridge trailer ? or Maintenance trailer

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Old 05-26-2017, 06:59:47 PM
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It was a mobile machine shop, there are a couple of vids on youtube of similar setups, but non have the lathe. I know there was a Sunnen pin hone in it at some point, all that was left of it was the mandrels, manuals, and the foot pedal. There was also a big press, and lots of OTC tooling for track work, I sold that a few years ago. There is also a generator/welder, gasoline motor, probably locked up by now. Not sure I want to fool with the generator/welder, thinking of getting some pics of it and offering it up here.

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I'm thinking just strip the trailer to the frame, then use trailer to mount the crusher. Crush concrete till the pile gets too high, then move 5-6' forward and repeat.

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Not that I've figured out! Might have to remove one whole side of the clamshell top just to reach lathe with the forklift.

A similar trailer, minus the lathe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtS2j_41pFw
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I've been working on this thing a few hours in the evenings, it gets full sun all day and is a sweat box. I pulled the motor off the top to give a little more lifting room. Original idea was to unbolt it from metal frame and lift it, but that idea got too sketchy so I rebolted it to frame and unbolted frame from the floor.

Last thing is to get the clamshell door to open on that side, the pump below is the problem, its free but does not pump, in fact when you lift handle it feels like its pulling suction and will pop back down, guessing a check valve is stuck.

While still on the trailer I pulled the top 6 bolts, top would only lift about a 1/32", just enough to spooge hyd fluid everywhere. Anyone know the proper way to take one of these apart?
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Bump! Any ideas on getting this pump apart? Tried earlier in the week when it was still attached to trailer but no luck, need to try on workbench tonight. So before I break something............

I seem to remember seeing a thread on a similar pump on here in the last year, but cannot locate it.
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Unscrew that fitting from the side where the line attaches...it comes from the pump cylinder through the side of the tank.
And the release valve from the other side too-didn't see that.
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Got some time to work on that pump this evening, it turned out being pretty easy on the work bench. Disassembly is as follows: Remove pivot pin from pump lever, not the pin that drives the piston. Remove lever, pull piston out, then remove the 6 cap bolts and it comes off easily. Check balls are in the brass screw fitting under the pump outlet, it took some good blows with an impact screwdriver to break that free. There is another brass screw on the inside of reservoir, again impact screwdriver required, other than blocking a drill hole I'm not sure it does anything. There is a set screw plug on 1 side, no need to remove that. The pressure release is a rod that travels from back to front, no need to remove that except for cleaning.

When I first removed the piston lever assembly it was clear that pulling on piston created a vacuum, as soon as I released it it would suck piston right back down. But nothing internally was rusted, and when I removed the brass plug that holds 2 check valve ball bearings in place, they both rolled right out. Cleaned everything well, re-assembled, filled with hyd fluid, and it appears to be working, at least on the bench. Will re-install on trailer tomorrow and open that side of the clamshell.
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Yo waiddaminnit. Isn't this thread about a lathe? Dahell you up to D... Gonna use this pump to jack up the trailer?
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Pump opens clamshell... if I read right.
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The crypt is open!

During the tractor down time on Sunday I re-installed the pump, after refilling the reservoir twice and no movement on the ram I did a little searching and found the line going into ram was a flexible line and split, In disconnecting that line the solid copper line split, argh! So Monday I picked up a 3' hydraulic line with idea of connecting pump directly to ram. Both Monday and Tuesday I got home just in time to watch it rain.

Sun came out this afternoon and field got dry enough to walk on without growing mud clods on my feet, so I carried pump and hose out there to give it a try. In all the years I've owned this thing this is the best view of it I've ever had
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Took a couple pics of the welder/generator too. Interesting, it has breakers for 120v single phase, 240v single phase, and 240v three phase? So is it just a 3ph gen and circuits are just off 1,2, or 3 legs? Under 300hrs on the meter.
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No telling with Hobart under gov contract. I'd take a meter (with power off) and measure ohms between outlet hots and three phase lines. May have common ground, but should read higher for separate windings than common taps.
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The stars came into perfect alignment yesterday evening, the field was dry, I had help, and the entrance to shop was clear enough to get the lathe in. I meant to get an action shot of it coming out, but between the stuck bolt and the leaking hydraulics that moment was forgotten.
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