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Old 09-17-2009, 07:08:45 AM
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Hello
This is my first post I,m new with these old engines but my dad seemed to have one around when I was a kid always tinkering with them.
Well I,m want to get my first engine and have found early model ihc M serial A9423m I was wondering if any body could give me any more info about these engines are the throttle govenored or hit mis and how are are they too restore this one is complete just needs work.
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Old 09-17-2009, 07:25:25 AM
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IHC M's are throttle governed engines. Early ones were ignitor fired with an IHC low tension magneto, then for a few years they were spark plug fired with an American Bosch rotary high tension magneto, and for the majority of their production had WICO EK magnetos. The Bosch magneto is a bit hard to find, but the others are readily available. The engines are a bit heavy for the HP produced, but are good runners and parts are readily available.
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Old 09-17-2009, 08:51:06 AM
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Your missing a number in the serial # or a letter before the serial #

A 4 digit would be 1917 but it just so happens that the last serial # produced for 1917 was #1969.

If your missing a number in the A range, your engine would have been made in 1923 which was the last year for the "straight A" series. But see i dont know if your missing a simple letter or number.

Other then that, you have a good choice of an engine. They are a little more advanced from what would be considered a beginner's engine, requiring just a little more adjustments and timing but if you get'em right they run like a dream and are definitly worth the effort. Although tearing one down can become a little overwhelming to the "newbie" Just keep your cool, ask questions and go with what needs to be done.

The deering engine was a throttled engine and they never made a hitnmiss aparently.

As said above, most repair parts are readily available but some of the major parts are not. Such as push rods, heads, cam's, pistons, cylinder sleaves, ect. and most of those ofcource would have to be found at a local engine swap meet or ebay.

Check out the sponsors page for replacement parts such as starbolt and hitnmiss. Marks magneto is not on the sponsors page but he is a very reputable individual with magneto's at reasonable prices so i can give you his contact info if needed or wanted.

You might also look up John hammink, in the search post bar. John sadly left us back in '05 but he has created a web site that still remains and is FULL of deering information.

He was THE "go to" guy for anything concerning a deering engine.

Need any more help just ask.

Were doing a 1919 ignitor fired M currently.
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Thanks guys I might have gotten the number wrong but its from the guy I purchasing the engine fro he said it was late 1917 I still like looks of the engine. I have been a mechanic for years so it shouldnt be to hard plus my father knows the workings of these engine inside out he used to keep the running on the farm for grandpa. Grandpa wasent the most mechanicly inclined if it involve wire or bailer twine he was ok.
My father is recovering from a small stroke and I told him last night I found us a engine to work on so he,s really looking for ward to it.
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I got the date wrong sorry he said it was 1918.
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Old 09-17-2009, 01:41:43 PM
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One question for somebody the engine that I,m looking at I mentioned above the guy has a price of $500 he says its complete the mag was just rework buy some place in conn and the only thing miss is the fuel lines. Told him I would take it just wondering if this was a good price.
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Default Re: Newbie Question ihc M

if its decent or if its the 10 hp or the strait gas (not kerosene, gas, and watter engine) thats a fair price. how manny hourse is it? its expensive to have a mag rebuilt so id say you did ok-good without even seeing it. i just got my first M to.
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I got the date wrong sorry he said it was 1918.
Dave
Your serial number is just fine. I have a 1-1/2 hp IHC M with a serial number of A9298M that the serial number lists show as mid 1918. The numbers for 1918 ran from A1970M to A19491M. If they used all the numbers they produced about 17000 1-1/2 hp M's that year.

On my web site there are pictures I took about three years ago during the restoration of mine and they might be useful as you get working on yours. See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ihm/

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Old 09-17-2009, 08:03:42 PM
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Thats not possible. The last number for 1918 was A19491

Your numbers are in the 99 thousand's range. Sence you have # A9423? That would be 19 & 23


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Here's John Hammink's link for IHC M serial numbers:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/ham...eb/serialM.htm

As you can see, Larry (and you Dave) got it right re: the date as 1918.

# A-9423-M is a legit number, nothing missing.

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Thanks guys for all the info I,m going saturday to pick it up and probaly will have future questions once I get into the engine.
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I forgot to ask anybody know were I can get a operator or repair manual for this engine.
Thanks again for all the help.
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Several sponsors on this site have manuals for the IHC M - Hit and Miss, Starbolt, Lee Pedersen, and maybe others. Starbolt is probably the fastest and will ship the same day you order. There are different manuals for the igniter and spark plug engines, and none for the ones with the American Bosch magneto, so be sure to order the one you need.
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Default Re: Newbie Question ihc M

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Thats not possible. The last number for 1918 was A19491

Your numbers are in the 99 thousand's range. Sence you have # A9423? That would be 19 & 23


Good luck with a good engine!
Huh???
Where I learned to count, 9423 falls between 1970 and 19491.

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Old 09-18-2009, 11:23:21 AM
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OKAY...alright, Yes it is 1918. I was only looking at one column. Every once in a while i forget how to read serial number lists.


SORRY FOR THE SCREW UP
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