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12 Hp Waterloo Boy Hopper Question


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Old 06-12-2019, 11:31:50 PM
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Hi,
I'm thinking of buying a 12 HP big chief engine no. 111460 in rough but restoreable condition. It is missing the water hopper and just has a plate on top where the hopper would normally go, presuming it had a large water tank connected for longer running for the larger HP engine.
Would this have been done later, or come like this? A rough price would also be handy, not sure how many 12 HP there are in Australia.
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Old 06-13-2019, 06:27:31 PM
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Default Re: 12 Hp Waterloo Boy Hopper Question

Justin I'm not sure how many made it to Australia but I don't think there are very many 12-horse waterloo's here in the states. It would not be too difficult to fabricate a water Hopper out of sheet metal.
I don't believe they came tank/screen cooled, but I could be wrong. I know some Hercules engines did. If you put some pictures up you'll get a lot more interest and perhaps some ideas on pricing.
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Old 06-13-2019, 06:51:00 PM
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Thanks Kevin for your reply, I only have a few poor quality photos that were msg to me, but will try to get them up on here. I was also thinking of fabricating the hopper if I end up with it.
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Default Re: 12 Hp Waterloo Boy Hopper Question

Man oh man, that has got to be a huge Waterloo Boy!
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Default Re: 12 Hp Waterloo Boy Hopper Question

Some photos ( hopefully)
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Maybe another three
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Don't no why but only one photo coming up at a time
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Doing this myself, no kids at home
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Last one for now
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Man oh man, that has got to be a huge Waterloo Boy!
Hi Duey, doesn't look that big in the photos but probably won't fit on the back seat.
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That steel plate definitely not original! But an awsome engine none the less and hopefully u can get it!
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Thank you for the pictures. That's an amazing engine for sure! I can't speak with any great Authority as to price but my feeling is that this would bring $1,000 all day long at most of the auctions I've ever been to and possibly several times more.
It is a very popular brand, with a few guys wanting to complete their collection by finding a big one. And you just don't see too many of them. It looks
( from my tiny phone pictures) like a fairly "easy" restoration once unstuck (and a lot of guys enjoy that part of it anyway) missing only the hopper and some rocker arm bits.
I built a steel cylinder head for my 12 horsepower Hercules/Champion logsplitter conversion. And I was going to build a hopper too, but amazingly I found one. please keep us posted. Kevin
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Here is a picture of our 12 hp Sandow which would be real close to a Big Chief both Waterloo built engines.
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Well I ended up buying the engine and last weekend and did the 14 hour round trip to pick it up, have now got it sitting on the transporter I was hoping to use and have everything unstuck and rolling over. Very happy with it so far as flywheels look true (always a bit of a worry when being moved around without transporter)
I no it's a long shot but now looking for a water hopper to suit before I attempt to fab one, also missing the exhaust rocker arm and pivot, muffler and crank guard. Any help on parts, photos or drawings muchly appriciated.

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Default Re: 12 Hp Waterloo Boy Hopper Question

I had a 9 horse that i made a hopper for. I used 1/4" plate. It's not that hard. If you tpe in 9 horse waterloo cam gear, you should find some pictures. skip
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Well I have made some progress on the big chief and now have the head back on and have igniter sparking. I'm still missing the rocker arm and pivot. Is there anyone that reproduces these parts for a 12 HP before I start making them? I've had a look on the sponsors page but didn't find anything.
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Default Re: 12 Hp Waterloo Boy Hopper Question

Justin,
it might be hard to find reproduction Parts in that size.
Vut you might could get some guys to take some detailed measurements and pictures of one of the few that's out there.
I know what the smaller ones look like and I don't believe it would be too hard to whittle out a pattern from wood and get one casted, if you just had some measurements and photos. Don't forget to ask for photos and measurements of the water Hopper also. Because I think the odds of you winning the lottery would be much better than finding a hopper for that.
(Though I WAS able to find a hopper for my 12 horse Hercules Champion- Probably should have bought a lottery ticket that day!)
It looks fantastic on that transporter by the way -please keep us posted!
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Hi Kevin,
I thought that may be the case, I have borrowed one to copy off an 8hp to either fabricate or make a pattern for one if nothing is available. Also after 10" ball muffler. I have tracked down a hopper also in the USA but having trouble getting it shipped, but working on it. Otherwise may have to fab one like Skip has done.

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i have a 14 Hp Waterloo Boy I could get measurements from. I also have a 12 or 14 Hp Contract waterloo hopper
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Hi Kevin,
I thought that may be the case, I have borrowed one to copy off an 8hp to either fabricate or make a pattern for one if nothing is available. Also after 10" ball muffler. I have tracked down a hopper also in the USA but having trouble getting it shipped, but working on it. Otherwise may have to fab one like Skip has done.

Justin
If you can't get the one in the US shipped, I can 3D model one from photos and dimensions. I can then send it to a 3D sand printer in Australia where they can print you out a sand mold for you to take to a foundry. That way you will have a casting and not a fabricated hopper and there is no need to make patterns and core boxes.
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