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After a few months of looking and asking, I finally was able to get a set of drawings for the Ό scale trucks. Unfortunately, no castings, but I’m sure glad I found these . After reviewing the drawings which were right to scale, I found that many of the dimensions used for the metal parts were an “ODD” size due to the Ό scale on the prints . Most of the readily available raw materials locally come in standard sizes. Also, many of the dimensions make the parts measured in 0.001’s of an inch which make a back yard fabricator wince at trying to make things come out even. So what I did was take the overall dimensions given and rounded them up or down just a wee bit so things were easy to make using what I have at hand . For instance a 12 spoke 7” diameter wheel rim has an outside circumference of 21.99”. Divide that by 12 and you get 1.832” for spoke to spoke holes in the flat stock before rolling the rim? So I just used 21” for the circumference when divided by 12 equals a nice even 1.75. For the 5” wheel it came out to be 15.75 divided by 12 = 1.31” between the spokes? I used 15.0” which gives me 1.25” between spokes. Sure the wheels will be a wee bit smaller, but they are sure easer to layout and make. Here are a few photos of the new layout design work and raw materials . There will be a lot more to this thread as I continue on with my new project, so use the thread tool in the header and Subscribe to this thread, to follow it’s progress .
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Here is my jig on the drill press for drilling the holes , and drilling the holes in the Ύ x 1/16” flat stock . More to follow.
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I had to “find” my H/F ring roller, and after I did, I started rolling the rims . I made two 5”, and two 7” wheel rims that came out nice . I then welded the rims together and ground them flush . More to follow.
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Making the hubs was another fun thing utilizing various sized pipe on hand to make them . I started with a 6” piece of ½” pipe to get the Ύ” OD I needed. I then turned down a 6” piece of 3/8” pipe to fit inside the Ύ” pipe, and then turned down a piece of 6” Ό” pipe to fit inside the 3/8” pipe. I then cut the ½” and 3/8” pipe into 7/8” pieces and pressed them together with some Locktite. I then cut the Ό” pipe into 1 1/8” pieces and pressed them into the other pipe already made with some Locktite leaving 1/8” on each side . I then machined each hub with an approximate 10 degree flat surface for drilling the spoke holes. Drilling the spoke holes required my finding the dividing head with a three jaw chuck I found at the "FLEA" market years ago and mounting it on the milling machine. Once it was set up, I just set the correct angle of the chuck for the 5” wheels, lined up the center and drilled the first 6 holes starting at 0 degrees 60 degrees apart. I then reversed the hub in the chuck and drilled the second 6 holes 60 degrees apart starting at 30 degrees which gives me the required spoke spacing for the staggered spokes. Then I did the second one, and reset the chuck angle and drilling distance for the second set of hubs for the 7” wheel. Then I tapped each of the 12 spoke holes in each hub for the spokes. Yes they are different. It sure made a nice hub More to follow.
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I bought a lot of nice brass rod with loop ends at the “flea” market years ago , that was back in the shed, with just the right OD I needed . After cutting the loop ends off on the band saw, I used my handy “flea” market rod cutter to cut the spokes to the required length. I then beveled one end of each spoke on the bench grinder so that when I threaded the one end, the thread would be square . I made 24 - 2 ½” and 24 – 3 ½” spokes . More to follow.
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Now came time for the assembly of the hubs, spokes and rims I made . I wonder how it will all fit together and how concentric the wheels will be . Here is a photo of the 1st. spoke, more spokes, and then all 12 in the first 5” wheel. I had a minor spoke fit in the rims , but the next sized drill at a slight alternating angle matching the spoke angles took care of that. I cleaned up the hub, put the wheel on a 3/8” rod and spun it. Not bad for the first one with a very slight hop and wiggle that can be taken out as I set the spokes in the rim . More to follow.
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I then made the second 5” wheel, and the two 7” wheels which came out real nice with hardly any hop or wiggle at all . On the way home today I stopped at Lowes and picked up a piece of square tubing that I will use to replicate the axel by just inserting the 3/8 axel rod through it . Check out that pile of wheels. Man this sure is fun, even in NJ on the way through .
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After doing some careful measuring on one of my models I’m building the trucks for I came up with what I think is the right width for the axels . I cut some 3/8” axel rod and 1/2” square tube that will make the axels look like the real thing . Then with a couple of holes for cotter keys to hold the wheels on, here they are .
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After putting some more miles on the 95 Chevy C1500 with 441,000+ miles on it, I got some ½” red oak and a 10’ piece of 1” channel for the engine trucks. I cut out the 1/2” x 3/8” x 8 ½” rear axel oak support piece on the radial saw, and cut the slot on the band saw for the miniature “U” bolts I need to make . It looks good sitting on the axel .
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Then I made the miniature “U” bolts, which I had fun making and threading. After a few tries, I got it right . Then I made the “U” bolt clamp pieces out of some recycled file folder hanger metal I stashed awhile back, after I found it . I put it all together and it fit nicely holding the rear axel support to the axel .
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Hey Paul, your making me figity wondering when your gonna cut the ends off of the spokes or are you gonna leave 'em there for traction.
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Those are actually for aerating the grass when you pull it around!
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Well, it was raining in the AM so the “FLEA” market was out for today. What is one to do except drag out the old HENROD torch that gives me a nice small Oxy/Act flame that I need to braze the ends of the spokes into the rim. I trimmed the spokes and did all 4 wheels. After they were all done, I ground off the high braze and used the belt sander to clean up the rims before putting them in the bead blast cabinet for the initial cleaning. Here are a few pictures of the progress on the wheels.

I’m still procrastinating over the width and length to make the truck rails. I need to take some more measurements of the Mogul Side Shaft Model that I’m making the trucks for, and try to plan ahead if and when I get the screen cooled version . I don’t want the trucks to be 4” short. I guess I could just make another set of trucks if needed, for something to keep me busy, while having fun, even in NJ on the way through .
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I made a few measurements and started the truck rail build. I had some left over Ύ” oak that I cut to fit in between the 1” channel rails, and the one for the front bolster set up. They fit nicely after a few trial fits . I’ll be using some 8-32 threaded rod to hold the rails to the rear axel. Just cutting and drilling holes . One hole didn’t come out quite right and the small round file took care of that. Sort of always learning what not to do next time as the build continues while having fun, even in NJ, on the way through.
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I fabricated the rear axel stabilizers from some ½” flat stock after drilling the holes for attachment to the trucks. Bend once-twice-three times for exact fit . Here are a couple of photos of what I did and how it looks .
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Now to work on the front bolster (5th wheel) from materials on hand. I measured the bolster on my 4HP Famous cart and cut a scale 3” piece of 1” channel. I took a large Ό” nut and welded it to the channel. With the hand grinder, I finished it off to make it look right. Then I drilled 4 mounting holes for the bolts to go through around the ½” square front axel . Not much room for error in doing this as the dimensions for the materials and assembly are close, but I got it right first time. Then I made the bottom piece out of some plain 1” flat stock using the same set up in the mill I used for the top part. I put things together loosely and then made the 4 - 1” bolts needed from some 8-32 all rod, and put it all together on the front axel . Next thing to do is make up the clevis and bearing plate. This is for another fun day, in NJ, on the way through .
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Making the clevis was a fun project . The first picture is some of my drawings and the raw materials. I made the clevis bearing plate of 1” x 1/8” flat stock with a ½” flat bearing surface with a ½ mill 1/16” deep. After measuring the bearing surface it measured out at 0.485 so I had to turn down the ½ rod to fit . Then I measured the rear rail height and the height of the front assembly and I needed to make the clevis on the bearing plate about 3/4" high. The next photos show milling the 1/4” slot .
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The next few photos show the clevis pivot hole being drilled, the part in a pile of chips , the finished part and the clevis on the bearing plate . So far, so good
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Here are the 5th wheel parts , assembled , trial fit , the backside and a close up .
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Here is a bottom view of the assembled cart , the 5th wheel with the brace , and the rear axel with braces . Saving the best for last...
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