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. I hope to get up to Rollag, Snow actually built four 5400hp twin tandems for a generating station in California. They also built some 3000 hp twin tandems for various power stations around the country.
If you do make it up to Rollag it's pretty easy to get up close and personal with the big engines. Just look for me or my brother or any number of other operators, we're always looking for helpers.

I had heard that there was some of these big Snows (or Worthingtons or Transits) in San Fransisco, California that provided the power for the street cars.
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" I had heard that there was some of these big Snows (or Worthingtons or Transits) in San Fransisco, California that provided the power for the street cars. "

I'll try to dig on that maybe find a picture. That is cool. Snow was very big into the gas engine game. They were building steam engines then when they saw the gas engine potential they took the ball and ran with it. They had a few interesting design features, like the side chambered valves. Unfortunately the bit off more than they could chew with the Martin station Snows, the 5400 hp models. They built four and were in the process of building a fifth and sixth for the same station, and the contract got cancelled because the engines would not regulate well. So they lost out big time. Snow about went bust then Worthington stepped in and took the driver's seat. Then finally in about 1918 or so, Worthington fully absorbed Snow. Then that's where the 330 Worthington and the big TTDA's I am looking for came from.
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I found out there were three Snow engines running in San Fran, but did not find much more. As Mr. Withers said they were used for powering the electric trolly lines.
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Ok guys I think I am officially obsessed with these Worthington engines. After church today in a fit of boredom I tried to create from what I do know and alot of speculation and pondering, a cylinder cross section of a ttda 24" X 36" Worthington horizontal. Because of my limited capabillities it is a bit of a crude drawing. If anybody has ever worked on or with or just heard one of these run please reply. Tell me if I am even close to being correct, and what needs to be done to make it if not. I want to model this engine. Thanks.
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Your Miller was modified by National Transit? That's interesting
My brother told me it was one of 5 engines converted by National Transit.
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jswithers,

Is your Miller the only surviving example of that mod?

I am sure you all know by now but if not I will share this.

I was surfing on Youtube and found out that Coolspring's 600 Snow is now ALIVE!!!!

And she sounds NICE.
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Yes there is a pretty extensive thread going on about it in the gas engine section of this forum.
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Stormlord5500,
I got the copys of the Cooper drawings. They are too big for e-mail so they are copied to a disc. PM me with your address and I will send the information along.
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Thank you so much Mr. Hazzard. Once I get things up and running I will be putting those to good use. Thanks to everybody who were involved with copying those plans for me.
How is the Cooper doing anyway? She taking to her new home well?
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The Cooper runs good now. It will be running for our show in August. If you want to come up the dates for the show are 8/14 to 8/17. We are 12 miles east of Lancaster PA on route 30.
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Man I wish I could. I really need to get a week off!!!
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I want to thank everyone for their input and help. I hope someone knows about the Worthingtons and can give me some advice. I may not be able at this time to go to shows and help save engines, but maybe I can save their history in models.
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That was Michigan-Wisconsin Pipeline Co., later part of ANR-Coastal. That all belongs to TransCanada now.

---------- Post added at 09:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:15 PM ----------

Mississippi River Fuel Corp started in 1928 and had 5 original compressor stations between Monroe, LA, and St. Louis, which were all equipped with horizontals. They had several (3 or so) large National Transits in Perryville, LA until the mid 1970s. They also had Worthingtons and Cooper-Bessemers. All were wrecked out by the time I got there. Mid La. Gas Co had some N-Ts a few miles down the road. The story I had from some of the older folks at Perryville was that between MRF and MidLa, they had all 5 or so of this model National Transit which were built. MRF bought the casting cores from N-T when the engines were discontinued and made their own parts for years, then gave the cores to MidLa.
Southern Natural gas had a station next door; they had a couple Cooper horizontals running as late as 1985. I was working and climbed over the fence during break to see them. The operator let me look until the boss called and had him run me off. I already had photos so big deal. That location is a grass field now.
MRF at Perryville also had some experimental Dresser radial engine-compressor units. I understood (from the same old-timers) that after a while Dresser bought them back from MRF and scrapped them. These engines are mentioned in a corporate history which Dresser Industries had written, but I could never find out much more about them. Mr. Ernie Hotze told me back in the 1980s that he knew about them from when he worked for Clark. Mr. Jim Hutton also remembered them.
There is a co. named Southern Star Central in the Kansas area that had a lot of horizontals in service a few years ago. I think they are part of the Boardwalk organization now.

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Oh, I forgot to mention: I have a Type 26 Cooper-Bessemer manual and I'll try to make a decent copy for you if you like.
I also have a couple of factory photos of the assembly floor at C-B, taken circa 1927. I will try to get them scanned and post them somewhere on here.
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Yes please I want to try and model all of the horizontal double acting industrial engines American and European. It is a large undertaking but one which I want to do in my life. I'm only 31 now and I got bitten by the old iron bug early. But the large DA gas engines I am kinda new to. Ever since I saw the video of the Snows in Heath station I was hooked for life. Yes if you can send me copies of the valve gear especially I would be forever grateful.
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Yes please I want to try and model all of the horizontal double acting industrial engines American and European. It is a large undertaking but one which I want to do in my life. I'm only 31 now and I got bitten by the old iron bug early. But the large DA gas engines I am kinda new to. Ever since I saw the video of the Snows in Heath station I was hooked for life. Yes if you can send me copies of the valve gear especially I would be forever grateful.
send me a e-mail I have the blueprints for a 400 hp snow
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Thank you sir. I sent you a private message with my e-mail address. If you want you can send me a private message and give me your e-mail address and then I can contact you via e-mail.
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Ok It's been a long while since my last post I apologize been very busy. A break-through has occurred. A while back I happened to find an article on the Coolspring website about the history of Worthington/Snow. It schooled me straight on a lot of things. From a picture in that article I studied hard and found out that the valve rockers for the intake and exhaust look to be the same in shape. Also I found out more details about Worthington's history and when they merged with Snow. I would advise anyone interested to go to the Coolspring site and check it out. It's fascinating to say the least. Also I will post a modified version of my Worthington cross section reflecting the new information. Thanks to all who were involved in that article and also to all who are into old iron. Without yall we would'nt have any history left.

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