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I spent two weeks in Panama and another in Ecuador for the amusement of my employer. Actually I was doing real work finishing a project that others started and totally botched up. It is finished now and I am glad to be home.

Attached is a shot of the Power Plant at the Miraflores Lock complex on the Pacific end of the canal. I believe they are running diesel generators from the whine of turbochargers and not steam. They were running steam turbines at one time since they have a turbine rotor displayed near the oldest looking plant building. I would like to have had a tour.

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I started to disassemble the Tips today. Still not sure if it can be saved but I am going to try. Got the head off and it is cracked in two places. Not sure how bad this is as the cracks are internal on the fire ring. The cylinder is very bad. It has been full of water for years. The crank shaft is a little over eleven feet long and will have to come out and be turned. Got the Jug loose with a 2" wrench and a 10 foot long cheater pipe. The rod bolt on one side was a problem. Could not bust it loose even with the 10 foot cheater. Applied heat to the nut and it turned about a half a round and started to turn the bolt. There was no way to hold the bolt with the engine stuck tight in this position. I drilled the bolt and threaded it with a 3/8 tap so I could hold the bolt.
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Old 12-07-2014, 09:31:11 PM
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A few more pictures of the head and bolt. I'm sure I will end up spending more money on this engine than it is worth, but what are you gonna do. I can't stand to see it scrapped.
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Last four of the pictures for today. Had my son on the Case back-hoe lifting while I was using a pry bar and guiding the jug off of the studs. I'm a little sore from the mechanic work yesterday and today. I'm looking forward to going back to work in the morning so I can rest! I did't get any pictures of me standing in the front loader bucket with the wrench and 10 foot cheater pipe. I think I will borrow a hydraulic torque wrench for the other three heads and jugs.
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Dwayne, That looks like the one O.B. Maloy saved.
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Yes this is the engine that O.B. saved from the scrappers. Unfortunately it was not preserved. It has set outside for 30 or 40 years with no injectors in it. There are several inches of black dirt on top of the pistons. It is now mud as I have been soaking it with marvel mystery oil. I have to try and save it as this is the only 4 cylinder Tips that is known.
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Little cool out this morning! May have to wait till this afternoon to work on it today! Wish I could come and help but the RR thinks that we should work everyday! J.R.
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The crack looks like it would be a candidate for lock & stitch.
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I've been wanting to try that lock and stitch. Have read about it on internet several times. Looks like this is going to be one of those five year rebuild jobs.
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I had to work at my real job yesterday so no progress on the Tips. It was sure a nice day though. Here are pictures of the jug and looking in the top of the cylinder. You can see the mud that is in the depressed part of the piston. I hope to get off work early enough today to pressure was and see what I have.
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Washed on the cylinder a bit. Made some progress, now I think it is time for a wire brush on the drill.
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If you are luck,y the parent metal below the rusty crust will not be too bad. I had a similar situation with my direct acting 12 X 12 steam powered hydraulic pump.

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140052

It sat with water in the steam cylinder for years but once the crust was wired-wheeled off it revealed only a few small pits that the rings would cover in operation. Then again if not lucky - bore and sleeve.

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Dwayne I was viewing the crack in the cylinder head and it almost appears as an insert held in by the head clamping force. ???? If so, possibly looks like an easy recast. Please keep us all posted on the progress. Enuf Said.
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I have not got the head in the shop yet. Maybe today. My Case 580 had to go over to a job site and do some real work to earn its keep. I brought it home yesterday and got the jug assembly in the shop just before dark. Got is soaking with sili-kroil hoping to start pressing on the piston after Christmas. Had one mishap and broke one of the head studs. I'm sure that is not going to be easy to remove. It is not easy moving 1,000 pound parts around.
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Got a little time to wrench on the Tips again on Monday afternoon. Borrowed a hydraulic torque wrench and got to work. Most of the nuts popped right loose. A couple went all the way to 10,000 psi and held for a few strokes. Pulled one stud out of the Jug and one nut was hard all the way off, threads bad on the stud. It sure is nice to be able to borrow tools from the oil field when needed. I have three tenants in production services. Rental on the set I borrowed runs about 200 dollars a day.
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I cut a piece of 3/4" plate 11 1/2" in diameter and cut a 4" circle out of the center for the dome of the piston to fit in. I cut another 11 1/2" piece to lay on top of that for the hyd jack to set on. I cut a piece 24" X 24" and cut eight holes in it to use as the jack stop. I jacked it tight and have got no movement with a 20 ton jack. Waiting on JR to bring his 50 ton ram. In-laws are on the way over this morning so there won't be any work on this project until after Christmas.
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Just bumping it to the top. Any more news to share on the TIPS engine Dwayne. Neat engine. Enuf Said
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When I was pushing the rusted in place for about a decade piston out of my Ajax I heated the cylinder from the outside with a big propane heater. The thought was that by heating the cylinder it would expand just a little and loosen the piston some. With the cylinder about too hot to touch the piston was still cool. I am not sure if it actually helped but the piston did come out.
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Not too much to report. I have borrowed a 50 ton jack and have had it under pressure for a few weeks. I have put a little heat ont the jug. Nothing has moved yet. It is soaking with Kroil right now. I hope to borrow a 100 ton jack in the next few weeks and really heat the jug up. I did find some kind of explosive gas inside the water passasages! As the torch passed by the opening I got several pretty loud pops. Not sure what was going on there. Sure glad I had all my safety gear on. I will post some more pics once I get the 100 ton jack in place.
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Glad your making progress on the TIPS. Thought maybe I was going to have come get it and haul it up north. A bit of concern here on your thought of increasing the hydraulic pressure. A fifty ton ram should be plenty to extract your piston. Moving to ram capable of producing 200,000 lbs of force could cause catastrophic casting failure or possibly prove lethal. Be sure to wear your flak jacket and helmet if you do so. My big twin has 14.375 bores and it was tight also. Soaked it with a mix 30 gallons of Kroil (amazing stuff) and diesel fuel for a couple of years. On an extreme summer day, I applied 175 PSI of air on top the pistons with the penetrant and let it sit. About a half an hour later she groaned and came loose. Big engines are just plain awesome! Enuf Said.
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