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Old 12-10-2014, 10:35:47 AM
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Washed on the cylinder a bit. Made some progress, now I think it is time for a wire brush on the drill.
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If you are luck,y the parent metal below the rusty crust will not be too bad. I had a similar situation with my direct acting 12 X 12 steam powered hydraulic pump.

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140052

It sat with water in the steam cylinder for years but once the crust was wired-wheeled off it revealed only a few small pits that the rings would cover in operation. Then again if not lucky - bore and sleeve.

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Dwayne I was viewing the crack in the cylinder head and it almost appears as an insert held in by the head clamping force. ???? If so, possibly looks like an easy recast. Please keep us all posted on the progress. Enuf Said.
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I have not got the head in the shop yet. Maybe today. My Case 580 had to go over to a job site and do some real work to earn its keep. I brought it home yesterday and got the jug assembly in the shop just before dark. Got is soaking with sili-kroil hoping to start pressing on the piston after Christmas. Had one mishap and broke one of the head studs. I'm sure that is not going to be easy to remove. It is not easy moving 1,000 pound parts around.
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Got a little time to wrench on the Tips again on Monday afternoon. Borrowed a hydraulic torque wrench and got to work. Most of the nuts popped right loose. A couple went all the way to 10,000 psi and held for a few strokes. Pulled one stud out of the Jug and one nut was hard all the way off, threads bad on the stud. It sure is nice to be able to borrow tools from the oil field when needed. I have three tenants in production services. Rental on the set I borrowed runs about 200 dollars a day.
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I cut a piece of 3/4" plate 11 1/2" in diameter and cut a 4" circle out of the center for the dome of the piston to fit in. I cut another 11 1/2" piece to lay on top of that for the hyd jack to set on. I cut a piece 24" X 24" and cut eight holes in it to use as the jack stop. I jacked it tight and have got no movement with a 20 ton jack. Waiting on JR to bring his 50 ton ram. In-laws are on the way over this morning so there won't be any work on this project until after Christmas.
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Just bumping it to the top. Any more news to share on the TIPS engine Dwayne. Neat engine. Enuf Said
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When I was pushing the rusted in place for about a decade piston out of my Ajax I heated the cylinder from the outside with a big propane heater. The thought was that by heating the cylinder it would expand just a little and loosen the piston some. With the cylinder about too hot to touch the piston was still cool. I am not sure if it actually helped but the piston did come out.
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Not too much to report. I have borrowed a 50 ton jack and have had it under pressure for a few weeks. I have put a little heat ont the jug. Nothing has moved yet. It is soaking with Kroil right now. I hope to borrow a 100 ton jack in the next few weeks and really heat the jug up. I did find some kind of explosive gas inside the water passasages! As the torch passed by the opening I got several pretty loud pops. Not sure what was going on there. Sure glad I had all my safety gear on. I will post some more pics once I get the 100 ton jack in place.
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Glad your making progress on the TIPS. Thought maybe I was going to have come get it and haul it up north. A bit of concern here on your thought of increasing the hydraulic pressure. A fifty ton ram should be plenty to extract your piston. Moving to ram capable of producing 200,000 lbs of force could cause catastrophic casting failure or possibly prove lethal. Be sure to wear your flak jacket and helmet if you do so. My big twin has 14.375 bores and it was tight also. Soaked it with a mix 30 gallons of Kroil (amazing stuff) and diesel fuel for a couple of years. On an extreme summer day, I applied 175 PSI of air on top the pistons with the penetrant and let it sit. About a half an hour later she groaned and came loose. Big engines are just plain awesome! Enuf Said.
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