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Old 03-20-2016, 05:33:48 PM
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There was a thread (I believe) in 2004 that detailed our getting these engines from the New Britain Water Works. These engines were installed around 1938, and provided water to the city during the war. shortly thereafter, electricity was brought to the area and the engines were put on standby. An upgrade to the facility made these engines obsolete, and QVEA / Zagray Farm Museum was contacted to see if we wanted them. A huge project to be sure to get these engines out of the building they were in and out to the farm. Here are a few pictures of that move from 2004.
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Fast forward to 2016. I can't believe 12 years have passed! our struggles to carve a place for our group at he Farm is a topic we'll talk more on later, but suffice it to say that we had serious obstacles to overcome to get to where we are today. Here are a few more pictures of the engines. The 3 cylinder has been sold to a collector out of Virginia, and will be loaded on a trailer in the next month or two to send to him. We are keeping the 4 cylinder, and are currently building a foundation and a building to house this engine as well as our Atlas Imperial engine (on another thread in the forum), as well as several other interesting engines. More on that as we progress.
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I mentioned in the Atlas thread I should start one on the other engine we have been working on and Art beat me to it. As Art said the story about this engine acquisition is long and complicated. Once we were given the pair we had to completely dismantle them inside a depression building and get them ready to be moved to the farm. 12 old men spent a summer getting the job done. We took all the external parts off and hauled them in small loads to the farm 40 miles away. Once the 2 engines were ready for the more we waited for the demo construction company to remove the building around them. We finished in August but didn't get the call for the move till mid January on a day it was Minus 5 degrees outside. A local heavy equip moving company donated 2 trucks and a 60 ton mobile crane to relocate the engines to the farm. When we got to the site that morning we were surprised to find the 2 engines sitting in the middle of a snow covered field since the building and everything around it had been leveled to the dirt.

Jump ahead 12 years and we are finally are ready to get the 4 cylinder mounted in a building and running again. The pictures that follow will follow our work on this project to the end. The first 3 pics show the progress on the foundation for big engine. The hold down structure is now set in place and foundation walls setup around it. The last pic shows the 18 inch air intake pipe that must have a 90 degree angle setup done on it. You will note we are mounting this engine on a complete original concrete foundation. We are using an original set of plans given to us when we picked them up. Ed B
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I mentioned in the Atlas thread I should start one on the other engine we have been working on and Art beat me to it. As Art said the story about this engine acquisition is long and complicated. Once we were given the pair we had to completely dismantle them inside a depression building and get them ready to be moved to the farm. 12 old men spent a summer getting the job done. We took all the external parts off and hauled them in small loads to the farm 40 miles away. Once the 2 engines were ready for the more we waited for the demo construction company to remove the building around them. We finished in August but didn't get the call for the move till mid January on a day it was Minus 5 degrees outside. A local heavy equip moving company donated 2 trucks and a 60 ton mobile crane to relocate the engines to the farm. When we got to the site that morning we were surprised to find the 2 engines sitting in the middle of a snow covered field since the building and everything around it had been leveled to the dirt.

Jump ahead 12 years and we are finally are ready to get the 4 cylinder mounted in a building and running again. The pictures that follow will follow our work on this project to the end. The first 3 pics show the progress on the foundation for big engine. The hold down structure is now set in place and foundation walls setup around it. The last pic shows the 18 inch air intake pipe that must have a 90 degree angle setup done on it. You will note we are mounting this engine on a complete original concrete foundation. We are using an original set of plans given to us when we picked them up. Ed B
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Old 03-21-2016, 10:22:22 AM
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Here are a couple of pictures from Saturday. Ed figured out how to cut the pipe on a 45 degree angle. it's actually a straight cut, but has to be laid out as an ellipse on the pipe. This pipe has sat here all winter while we all scratched our heads as to how to mark it to get a half decent cut. We considered just buying an elbow for the pipe, but the best price i could get (by having a friend in a municipal water works call) was $590. the pipe was over $300 as it was.

This weekend we will hopefully complete the fabrication of forms and the placement of the mounting bolts for the alternator and outer bearing.

There will be a third pour on this engine foundation to get to the level of the engine bolt tubes, but that will be easy by comparison.
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Old 03-21-2016, 07:55:52 PM
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So as Art mentioned above how do you cut a perfect 45 Deg. Angle on a 18 3/4 inch diameter. I made the mistake last week to go up to the farm on Wed. and Art said take the big pipe home and put a 90 Degree on it. If you had a huge chop saw it would be a piece of cake but no such luck. I was forced to go online where I found dozens of ways to do the job. Some are quite complicated requiring a lot of math. [took that 60 years ago] so looked at other options. The one I ended up with used a little math but seemed straight forward. It took 3 hours to draw it out on a large sheet of paper and then transfer measurements to a flat surface to form a parabolic curved oval. When cut out and wrapped around the pipe it should give you the line at a 45 angle that can then be cut. I didn't like how it looked so went back to the net. that's when I found a guy who said it can be done in 3 simple steps. Followed his directions and in 15 minutes had a full sized cutout ellipse template. Next morning went down to the pipe and wrapped the big layout around the pipe and did not like how it looked. You only get one chance to cut into a $300 pipe. I then decided to slide the cardboard ellipse around the pipe and voilà it fit perfectly. I drew the line with a marker and got ready for the cut. I cut the sides with a skill saw but finished the top and bottom with a sawsall since the cut had to be on a 45 degree angle.. Pics. show the results of all this layout. The end cut wasn't perfect but fine for what we are doing. I ended laying a 4 inch wide stainless sheet metal band around the cuts and bolted it with about 4 3/8 bolts threaded into the 1 inch thick pipe. a side note here is that all the tutorials on the web were for 3"-4" pipe and easy. When you move out to nearly 19" it is a lot harder.
Pic No 1 shows the simple drawn and cutout ellipse which was transferred to cardboard for final template. Pic No 2 is the much more complicated one piece wrap around template that didn't work out so well. The last pic. shows the cardboard template slid over the pipe ready to mark. Good luck if you ever have to do this job. It isn't impossible but does take a bit of perseverance. Ed B
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Ed tells me that he has the alternator and the bearing bolt setup completed, even though he had to go in for a prostrate biopsy, which must be a blast! Hope i skip that one!
over the weekend we will get this form to the point of pouring concrete. that is, after we all go over the measurements to be certain they are correct! fingers crossed!
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The following set of pics took about 10 hours of layout and fabrication time. I started with 2 - 8 foot lengths of heavy 3x3 Angle iron and progressed from there. Pic No 1 shows the 18 inch long bolts that will eventually hold down the 2 heavy alternator plates. I made them by welding 7/8 bolts to each end of heavy wall 11/2 inch pipe. Full length bolts would have been very costly. Pic No 2 is another view of the fabrication. Pic No 3 is long view of the pair of holddown fixtures. Last pic show the 21/4 pipes welded around the bolts so they will room to move around once the concrete is poured to allow for movement. This fixture will be completely covered with cement with only the top 4 inches of bolts showing. Ed B
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This set of pics show the boltdown fixtures set down in the forms. Pic no 1 is long view of whole form setup around the eventual Fairbanks Morse base with the Generator setup at the far end. Pic No 2 is a view looking down into the forms with the 2 fixtures in place. This Saturday we will spend a lot of time getting this setup in its exact position for a future pour. Art says 3 different people will follow the plan layout dimensions to be absolutely sure everything is in its proper position before we seal it up with 25 yards of concrete. Ed B
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Looks like you guys are getting some good headway! I have to start coming up on weekends again now that the weather is good.

Kind of late, but I cut some nice 45 degree cuts on exhaust pipe easily by printing out a sine curve where the length of the curve was the circumference of the pipe and the amplitude was the diameter. wrap it around the pipe and cut.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jLW...YTuQl8YkvKU16Z

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It is great to see some of these big verticals get saved. Not terrible old and fancy but they sure run nice. To many of them get scrapped out. Thanks for your clubs efforts to make this happen.
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Conrad I saw that method but the piece of paper would have to be 5 Ft long and 4 FT wide and the biggest printer on earth. Besides seat of the pants is much more fun. Maybe see you tomorrow. Ed B
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Today Saturday 26th was an overcast but in the 50s. I took all the finished generator mounting parts up to the Farm yesterday and today we began the final alignment and bolt down process. Pic No 1 shows Art and his son Dave conferring on what steps to follow. Once the main frames are measured and bolted into the forms we were ready to cross bolt everything together. Many feet is 1/2 inch threaded rod was attached between the outer forms and the main framework to keep everything true and square when the concrete is poured. Pic No 2 and 3 is a long view of the work in progress. Last pic is a view looking down at the generator hold down bolts in place and bolted to the foundation floor. The next step is to install a wooden form in between the hold downs that will be the flywheel well. More coming soon Ed B
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Wow really nice work guys, wish I lived closer to help..
Ed a few questiond,
1 is the 45 cut sealed well to keep water out?.
2 are you going to set the engine gen set up on the rods and grout the pipe space?.
3 Thank GOD you guys did not have common core education ... this would never be attainable ......

keep up the great work, a lot of education can be found in this project
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The 45 angle is held together with a 4 inch stainless steel band bolted with about 40 3/8 bolts tapped into the plastic pipe. there are some gaps but I plan on covering it with tape before we pour leftover cement in a small form placed around it. We will also put a drain valve in the bottom of the pipe just inside the wall in the open space we will leave around the engine
Yes the whole thing will be grouted in place once everything is level and bolted down.
We are very close to pouring concrete. Cant wait Pictures will follow. Ed B
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We completed work on the forms for the Fairbanks over the weekend, as well as formed up the air intake tube, a couple of pipe pits on the rear wall for services to both engines, and the two rear piers that support the roof (under the barrels in the pic)

We plan to provide starting air, fuel and radiator cooling under the floor within some 6" pipes we have on hand so that these pipes will come up right next to the engine where we need them.

Wednesday is supposed to be 60 degrees and sunny, so we hope to do a triple check of all measurements, as well as talk over everything needed to be supplied to the engines.
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Back in 1966 I was engineer on a big tug boat out of fort Lauderdale. I ran a six cylinder 32E14. There were still a bunch of those big diesels running in boats back then. Busch-Sulzer, Enterprise, Atlas, some F-M opposed piston engines that they used in submarines in the war, and others I don't right off remember.

The economics changed shortly thereafter. It required two engineers to run the engine room, 6 hours on, 6 hours off, whereas with one of the new fast turning diesel engines, they don't need an engineer. Of course they have to replace the engines every few years at 75,000 dollars a crack, but that is now cheaper than the cost of the engineers. You never had to replace a F-M 32.

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Richard Thanks for your memories. The mention of Submarines brings a memory to me. I taught Auto Mechanics at Fitch High School in Groton, CT which goes by the name Submarine Capital of the World. For many years there was a Submarine Tender [Fulton] from WWII docked across the Thames River in New London, CT. It stayed there till the mid 70's when all the Diesel subs were finally sold off to foreign countries and it was mothballed. On 2 occasions I took my shop students on a field trip to the Fulton. As I remember it was powered by the same big diesels found in the Diesel Subs and if a boat needed a new engine it was pulled out of the Tender and switched with the one in the Sub. I don't know how the switch was made but this happened in war time all around the world. It must have been a major operation similar to modern open heart surgery. Ed B
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What a job that must have been. How would they even get it out of a sub? To get that F-M 32 out of our tug boat, we would have had to remove most of the deck house.

Our tug was a mess. The engine room was oily. One time we were at sea and the bilge pump strainers all got stopped up with rags that had fallen in the bilge over the years. We couldn't pump bilge. That big flywheel was throwing oily bilge water everywhere. What a mess. I stripped down and went swimming—in the bilge. I looked like James Dean did in the film, Giant, after his oil rig struck a gusher.

My favorite tug boat back then was the Sally Mac. Her engine room was all painted white, and was spotless. She had a huge Busch-Sulzer engine.

We were all on the Miami River, back before downtown Miami got gentrified. That river was a fascinating place back then. I once walked into a small warehouse and found piles of old Allison aircraft engines stacked up. You could find anything there. Now it's all sterilized with condominiums. About as interesting as a trip to MacDonalds.

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poured 22 yards of concrete today. Ed has pictures he'll post shortly. some of the pour was for the Atlas engine, but the most was for the Fairbanks. I was sweating it out because I ordered the concrete - and 22 yards is two maxed out trucks. Fortunately, the last pour spot was one yard and would not hold up any work on the project if it did not get poured, so it was last.

We filled it, no problem! only had one small bulge out on my form work...OK maybe two but it's all good!
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