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Fairbanks Morse 4 Cylinder 32E14 Engine


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Old 10-07-2016, 05:01:13 PM
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Here are the videos that I took of Dennis explaining the engine.

Fuel system:
https://youtu.be/iWxuQ51HePU

Oiling system:
https://youtu.be/ftysRTdRlcc

Air start, water, and intake:
https://youtu.be/XAkeCDOFqDk

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Old 10-18-2016, 05:04:52 PM
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Started working on the exhaust system for the Fairbanks engine. The 12 Inch pipe will go out through the end wall and then a 90 Degree will take it up above the roof line. I decided the best way to do this is fabricate a 90 Degree elbow out of flat stock. This requires a bit of fabrication but not to difficult if you have a lot of old metal laying around. The first pic. is a section of pipe that I cleaned up ready for the attachment of the 90 Degree elbow. Pic No. 2 shows the cardboard template that I cut out to full size. I used this template to guide the Plasma Torch to cut the 3/8" side plates out. Pic No 3 is the 2 side plates welded to a 12 " flanged pipe section. Last Pic shows the progress of cut and welding the filler pieces. Ed B
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We have been busy at the farm lately because the weather is still fairly warm here in CT. I finished the exhaust elbow and exhaust pipe and today we installed the first section.
Pic No 1 is the main exhaust flange which bolts onto the Ex. manifold. The outlet flange is offset so we could mount it giving us the most clearance where it goes through the outer wall. Pic No 2 shows the main flange with the slip fit flange mounted onto it for a test fit. Pic No 3 is the outer collar that will hold the pipe into the main flange. Last Pic shows my son Marc cutting a hole in the building when the pipe will go through.
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Here are a few more Pics of todays install. Pic No 1 Once we had a hole into the manifold we could finally get an accurate measurement and found the pipe was about 6 inches to long. I set it up and marked it up to make a clean cut on a thin ground line around the whole diameter. Pics 2-4 show how we got the pipe up and through the wall. We tried several different hookups until we got it right. The Ole Dynahoe got it up and in after several tries. Ed B
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The pipe is now up and bolted in place on the manifold. Pic no 1 shows Art working on getting one of the flange bolts in place so the pipe could be held safely. Pic No 2 shows the pipe at the end of the day solidly in place. Pics are a bit out of order so this pic shows the pipe slid partly into place. Last pic is George putting the last of the 12 bolts in and tightened down. Once the pipe is temporally sitting in place and is ready for us to build a concrete base that will hold the weight. Remember a 14 Ft. upright exhaust stak weighs about 800 Lbs. and it will be held from the bottom and also a heavy standoff up on the edge of the roof. Art said his next job is to build and air filter system for the engine which goes below the roof seen just behind the Exhaust elbow in Pic. No. 3 above.
Oh, all the work moving forward will be much easier since the Power Company finally hooked up out electricity last week. It is so much nicer without all the noise from out big generator. Ed B
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its February, so now cabin fever starts to set in and I want to get back on this project.

I have formulated a plan for the air intake filter arrangement. Unbelievably, the engine ran with only the two 8" Abe Lincoln top hats with 1/4 inch screen drawing inside air. when we lifted the engines off their original mounts, we saw that the outside air intake was dead-ended at the rear of the engine. since it's 2 stroke and 4 cylinder, there are two 14" cylinders drawing air all the time from two 8" openings. This does not compute, but they ran nearly 60 years that way!

We wanted to set it up as the factory drawings called for, but that presented a problem. how to get a proper 14 inch air filter, and how do I mount it on the PVC pipe?

The enclosure in the above post is the start of the plan, but I hadn't thought the rest through. We got some wall mounted filters from an industrial engine setup, but could not practically mount them.
So, I picked up three 22" X 28" attic vent louvers and several furnace filters. the plan is to mount the filters behind the louvers, and set up the center one so that it can be removed for filter replacement. I think 12 square feet of air intake should allow the engine to breath easily. I don't think it was before, and ran negative all the time.

We also have the lighting for the building to install (hanging pendants with LED Edison bulbs), and the Alternator to install, for starters. We got some instruction as to how to line up and install the alternator (good thing, because we were kind of flailing at it).

We also have to open the exhaust covers and clean out the puddle of oil on top of the pistons, put there by oiling the cylinders and rolling the engine over repeatedly.

plenty more after that, but I'm ready to get going. Where is Spring?
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spent the day at the museum, mostly working on the Fairbanks. installed the walkway, stairs and railing systems. discovered two broken bolts in the railings, one in the cylinder and one on the handrail that will need to be drilled out and re-tapped.

took the top water goose-necks home for cleaning. there is some piping off them that i have to locate in the trailer (everything we removed for both engines went into a 40' box trailer - 13 years ago!) I'm thinking this piping went to a water temp gauge - perhaps the pictures will yield a clue!

There's still plenty to do, but were moving on it!
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Over the long Memorial Day weekend Art and the crew made some major progress on the big engine.

Pic No 1 shows the generator on the Fairbanks. The big job we have been working on is the alignment of the Armature with the crankshaft and then getting the outer housing centered in place. During our May show our collector friend from Virginia said to move the big stator back on its mounts and them align the armature. Once it is in alignment and bolted firmly to the crankshaft the out housing can be carefully slid back in place and shimmed so it has equal clearance from the armature 1/4 inch all around. The boys spent a whole day and a bit more getting this significant job done.

Pic No 2 is a shot of the railing around the upper platform. It seems two of the main supporting bolts were sheered off. One in the upper head and another in the lower railing. It took a bit of drilling but we were successful at getting both studs out and replaced with new ones. Last pic shows the smalled piece of railing back in place. They also got the main water manifold cleaned and ready to install on the back side of the engine. I was given the job of making 8 large gaskets cut out so we can install the manifold back in place. We will then start hooking up the Air, water and fuel lines that go to the back of the building through pipe buried in the floor before pouring it.
Hopefully we will have made major progress before our July show. Ed B
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Ed,

If you get a chance, I'd be interested in a pic of the intake side. Wondering how you routed the air inlet. Being an E model, you have the reed valves but I wonder what sort of an intake this engine has. You probably saw the story I did on Biro's 32E14. His was all done with the intake and exhaust in the concrete floor.

Anyway, great work. I'll be thrilled when you guys post some video of that bad-boy making smoke!
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Sotty The installation in the original pump house had the air being pulled in through 2 - 12" holes back on the flywheel end with a very basic air filter system. We decided we would follow the original system with the air being brought in up under the engine. This added greatly to the fabrication of the mounting foundation but will be worth it in the end. On Page 1 of this thread at post numbers 9 and 19 is a good view of the large pipe and elbow that brings the air up under the engine. After the cement was poured all that shows is the square opening in the middle of the foundation. Now that the engine and generator are permanently set we will grout around the whole engine base so that the only air to get to the engine is through the outside intake that is fully filtered. Oh we have also blocked off the air openings by the flywheel. You are right that on the back side of the engine there are 4 large removable intake passages that transfer the air from under the engine up through the large reed valves into the cylinders. When I get a chance I will take a few pics of this side of the engine. Ed B
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There has been substantial progress on the engine over the last few weeks, interrupted by the need to install a 10 foot concrete apron around the building for small engines to come out on carts for demonstration. I'll get some pictures this weekend at our show.

We have cleaned the 16 port Madison Kipp oiler and re-installed it, cleaned the oil pump unit, made additional shims to remount it (for some odd reason there was not enough shims in the bucket of parts), poured the base for the exhaust support and set it up with studs, poured the raised mount for the mechanism to bar the engine over, and made good progress on the black iron piping for the heat ex-changer system we'll be using. We will put antifreeze in the engine and water in the 300 gallon cooling tank. we'll drain the tank for the winter, of course.

A suitable fuel tank has been located and is being made ready to install.

NEEDED: one 8 port sight glass for the Madison/Kipp oiler if anyone has one.
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As Art said we have been making a bit of progress. A few weeks back the crew got the water manifold back up in place [ it was a major lift up under the exhaust manifold] Pic No 1 shows the main water lines, now up in the open and ready to be connected to the cooling system that will be out behind the building. Pic No 3 is a better view of the installed water Manifold. Last pic is the location of the MK oiler which Art has taken home for a bit of rehab work. While off Big Mike cleaned and blew out all the main oil lines for the engine. We are finally making progress in all areas. Ed B
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Several members have been making some progress on the Fairbanks. One of our members donated a complete pipe cutting system which makes it a bit easier. We first adapted the size down from 3 Inches to 2 Inches. The pipe has to go down and under the floor to pipes that were placed under the floor before pouring the slab. They will go to the back of the building where we will eventually hook up a cooling system still unknown. Any Ideas!!!!!

Pic No 1 is an overview of the connecting plumbing.

Pic No 2 is looking down into the pit we poured into foundation so we could hide all the plumbing out of site. The green in the back is the 18 inch air intake where it goes through the wall out to a large air cleaner box.

Last Pic shows 3 heat gauges screwed into 3 fittings put there for that reason. Ed B
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We have been working on the Fairbanks exhaust stak and it was decided to change it a bit to give it a better esthetic.
The crew decided to directly mount the curved original stack directly onto the concrete base and fit the output pipe off the exhaust manifold welded into the side. They also added about 5 ft of straight pipe to the top so it cleared the peak of the building. There will be a moveable cap on the top which will be opened when the engine is being run. It will controlled by a long chain to the ground.

Pic No 1 shows Connor welding the joint between the 2 pipes.
Pic No 2 is a long shot of the whole stack.
Pic No 3 they also put a cleanout into the bottom of the stack.
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Well done, gents. You are doing the old oil burner justice!
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Ed beat me to it with the photos, but here is the stack completed, but still to be painted. The last photo shows the raincap I made. No worries of it blowing open - it's made from 1/4" steel plate. We will open and close it with the aid of a long chain and hook. We were happy to use our new Bobcat 225 welder, donated to the farm only a couple weeks beforehand!
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You guys do some really nice work. Looks great!
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The guys made a list of the remaining items to finish to get this engine ready to start.

This past weekend the distortion gage showed .010 deflection from connecting the alternator to the engine. that was corrected to .001. so, we are ready to grout the engine in.

Still some air start system items to complete, add fluids, bleed fuel system, and grouting to go.


Soon! very soon, we'll give it a go!
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tried out the air start over the weekend. made 225 lbs with the compressor that came with the Wichmann engine and successfully rolled it over!


We need to repair the 5HP electric motor for our Fairbanks compressor, but the temp one will go for now.


The guys are grouting in the engine, and adding fluids this week.


there is a good chance we'll try to fire it this weekend!
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Well, after 14+ years, countless hours extracting the engine from its home for 60+ years, a long wait while we fought a land use battle, and countless more hours putting up the building and fitting it out for services, the FairBanks started Sunday morning!

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