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Old 01-14-2006, 08:42:19 PM
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Its a 1893 center crank 12 HP Center crank Case im looking for info on center cranks cant find too much out there it has a real nice boiler just needs a good oiling
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COOL ENGINE!i love that OLD stuff. wish i had some info for ya.
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That sure seems like a beautiful engine!! Where did this engine come from?? Was it ever run since restoration?? There was one like that here in PA a little while back but we are not sure what happened to it.....

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Nice engine will be nice to see it run. bet it put a serious dent in the bank account
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Holeycow Iam not a case fan but that 1 SWEET looking engine.
HOPE YOU ENJOY IT FOR YEARS TO COME !!!!!!

Happy steaming
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What I want to know is the engine fired or did you wait for the right clouds to come? BobRR
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Old 01-14-2006, 11:52:51 PM
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Nice looking engine! can you what the seat next to the smoke stak was used for? Dave in Holt.
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Old 01-15-2006, 12:44:49 AM
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The seat is up there because the engine was horse steered It was probally changed over by Case about 100 years ago. Its a real neat engine different than any other Case engine i have been around. It has a small steam engine mounted on the side with a water pump attached to feed the boiler Does anybody have any specs on this engine I would like to know what it weighs
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On page 67 of my 1992 Case Expo showbook by WMSTR at Rollag, has this to say:

First built in 1884, this improved model of traction is different than its predecessor, in that, it is equipped with a hand steering device - the first of the companies traction to be so equipped. Horse guiding was optional.

The reverse lever is now placed in a vertical position making it more convenient to handle. This engine was built in the following sizes: 8, 10, 12, and 16* horsepowers. (*Do not believe that the 16 horse size was a traction. (?) )

Horse Power 12.
Dia. of Cylinder 7 1/2".
Length of Stroke 12".
Length of Boiler 117".
Diameter of Boiler 26".
Length of Firebox 33".
Width of Firebox 24".
Height of Firebox 29".
No. of Flues 40.
Length of Flues 72.
Diameter of Flues 2".
Sq. Ft. of H.S. 156
Sq. Ft./H.P. 13
Dia. Flywheel 42".
Rev. Per Min. 200.

I hope this information is correct?

You got a nice looking engine . . . enjoy!

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That is one fine looking engine--I note what must be the orig. brass engine number tag on the dome. I'd be very interested in that number--thanks. And also, if it will be under steam in '06, I'd sure appreciate knowing at what show?
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Hello Chuck -
I helped load this engine yesterday, and took some other photos. The "Engine No. 5725."

I also have a question, the second photo I am posting is a picture of the pressure gauge, is this the correct gauge? I am thinking that is is from a later engine. I can probably find the answer in the Case Gauge thread, but hoepfully enough people will read this thread to answer my question. Thanks
KR
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I plan to have it at a few shows Crown Point, Will County, Sycamore,mabey the expo, mabey Waueson and I will have it running
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Thanks much for the information. My lists indicate that engine number to have been used in 1893--and you are correct, that gauge is for a later engine--used about 1902-07. There is a picture of this engine in IMA p.55, Jan/Feb 1965 when it was owned by H. Dixon, of Yorkville, ILL. It is credied to Rupert Jordon, of Sycamore, ILL in 1959. Dixon is reported to have bought it from Jordon Then it is reported to have passed through the hands of Dennis Christianson and Konie Kuiper, who had it for sale in 2003.
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I plan to have it at a few shows Crown Point, Will County, Sycamore,mabey the expo, mabey Waueson and I will have it running
Hi 19-65port

What a nice engine!
I am not a Case guy BUT. . . With engines like that SWEET

Sure hope you can bring it to Wauseon this year, Love to see it in person
Hope too see you there!
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Chuck, do you think the gauge i pictured on the second post of the case gauges thread may be a real old type? it has the short needle on it. we tried this gauge with air and i think it was sticky and inaccurate. its too bad it wasn't in good working order. it would maybe be worth making a trade for the one on this center crank, as it would be the right year for our 1905 20hp.
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Hello Chuck -
I helped load this engine yesterday, and took some other photos. The "Engine No. 5725."

I also have a question, the second photo I am posting is a picture of the pressure gauge, is this the correct gauge? I am thinking that is is from a later engine. I can probably find the answer in the Case Gauge thread, but hoepfully enough people will read this thread to answer my question. Thanks
KR
One way to see is that a broken off bolt, in the back ground on the top of the dome, and if it is. That is where the bracket goes to hold that type of early gauge. Chuck remeber what I said about black face gauges.
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Joe,
I'll have to admit that I no longer remember exactly what you said about black faced gauges--I'll have to go back to that thread and read it again--But this gauge is a decade or so newer than that engine. Ashcroft used a shield for their logo throughout most of their production--The exact details of that shield changed several times, which makes it possible to date them a bit. This particuler gauge sports a wavy script logo that was only used by Ashcroft from 1902-07 according to Barry David, who wrote the book on steam pressure gauges. The old return flue center crank that was bought by the J.I.Case Collectors to put in the Racine Museum had a gauge identical to this one on it--both of these engines were restored by the same person, who I suspect was unable to locate the correct Case gauges which would be older than the ones he used--The tag is missing on the return flue engine, so it's exact age is unknown--but those gauges are not correct on either of those engines. The Ashcroft logo of the style that preceeded this one was registered in 1898. The one I have of that type/style reads to a max of 200psi, and does also have a black face, but is still not as old as these engines should have. Another Case gauge I have in my collection pegs out at a max. of 180psi, and sports the Ashcroft logo that they registered in 1876--and is believed to be logo that Ashcroft used for the next couple decades--The face on this gauge was polished brass when I got it, so it is unknown whether is was originally silvered, or black--my guess is silvered--It is believed that this is the Ashcroft logo that would have been on Case gauges from the '70, '80s, and maybe right up through 1897--as they registered their next style logo in 1898.
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Not sure of this image will show up again but its in the begining of the case gauge thread, it was registered on aug 21 1876 and patented on jan 22 1884. Chuck it would be nice to see that 180lbs gauge ive never heard of another one like it.
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All this gauge talk, does anyone have the correct bracket and the gauge that goes on this engine. The one thats on there is hard to see it needs to be up higher im guessing thats what the bracket was for
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Originals of the two piece, cast iron gauge stand are hard to come by--but Suden1 has posted elsewhere that he has had some repos recast. After having had the gauge (on this two piece stand) on the steam dome for many years, this same gauge stand was used on the wagon top until I believe 1908. As regard the correct gauge for that engine. The answer for that is, yes, I am quite sure that I do have the correct one in my collection of Case gauges. I know of one other in a collection in ID. Have you yet uncovered a Case catalog from 1893, so you know what pressure it was designed to run at when new?
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