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Old 05-02-2007, 10:29:21 PM
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It sounds like the crank may not be as bad as it looks. I wouldn't be surprised if the reed valve, piston rings, and piston rod seal don't clean up and work better after some run time. Is it possible that the flywheel was removed and put back on with dirt, burrs, or paint between the flywheel hub bore and the shaft, or that the key or shaft is beat up? A small amount of dirt or damage at the flywheel to crankshaft joint can cause a lot of run-out at the flywheel rim. If your cam drive gear runs true and the shaft proves to be bent outboard of that, you may be able to straighten the shaft by removing the flywheel and spot-heating the shaft.
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Old 05-04-2007, 08:16:02 PM
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Here's a poor video of the poor Mother.

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Old 05-04-2007, 11:45:58 PM
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I don't think that's just dirt, burrs, or paint Patrick

Nice sound though.
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I have an oilfield gauger that has been trying to sell me one of these Ajaxes forever , loves to tell stories about the old Josephine Reid engines . So there were a few scattered around Texas . Anybody wants it , IM me and I'll hook you up .
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Yea, its sure enuf warped. Of course .025" thou's worth of wobble at the crank adds up to 4.500" at the rim of the flywheel. So it probably doesnt need much to streighten it up. And for what your going to do with this engine it doesnt have to be perfect. On smaller engines I have streightned up cranks shafts by simply marking where the flywheel where it is "in" the most. And with a bottle jack laying on its side SLOWLY applying pressure. And use some timbers on both side of the jack to help spread the load of pressure being applied. I've done this on 5 different engines and havent broke anything yet! I bet they bent the crank by picking the engine up by the flywheel and the weight of the engine alone is plently to this kind of damage.
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Hardly know where to begin. First I want to thank everyone for the help. And thanks Doug Waggonner. The crankshaft is almost straight. 1/4 runout, and 7/16 wobble at flywheel rim. Do you think I can run it at rated 300rpm now?
Bought some Lexan and made oil sight tubes, and threaded the dripper cover. I JB welded a lid from a paint thinner can and it looks pretty good. But I can't figure out why they even put the glass there if it doesn't drip The oil comes up from the bottom where the wire is, rises in the glass to the top of the brass tube then out to the oil line. There is no drip action with that. What is the wire for? The big tall goofy mother lubes the governor it also has a wire and the brass tube is at the very top above the glass. So it just fill up completely with oil then out the oil line Is this the way it is supposed to work?

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Got some more of the wobble out, it is about 3/16" on the flywheel rim. And unmeasurable on the shaft with a tape. The more I tried restricting the air the madder she got Now all of a sudden she runs 50 RPM with no air restriction, guess it's just the mixer and rings settling in Here's a video without the wobble

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hi bill , sorry to hear about the bent crank . a friend of mine has stratened a few bent crants , and he always says if you didn't heat it when it was bent the first time .why would you heat it to fix it ? i'm also working on a 50hp ajax double flywheel .almost ready to try and start it .i have all of the air start lines hooked up .it was pretty well stripped when i got it . (good luck with the crank ) tom schupska (would like to find a water pump that bolts to engine )
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Much better Bill! She creeps along beautifully!
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Tom, keep us posted of your progress, if I hear of a pump I'll let you know.

Now for the SF Class McCord Lubricator. At our swap meet last week Patrick Traubert said it should have glycerin in the sight glasses. The drops of oil would rise up the wire to the level of the tube and be forced out to lube the engine. Got some glycerin coming, but for now using anti-freeze. In the attached video if you watch the center glass very closely you can see an oil bubble form at the bottom and begin to rise just as the video ends.

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Holy cow that thing sounds cool! Good job Bill!!!! Thanks for the videos also. Could you post a longer one?

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Something to think about... some Ajax literature I have cautions against running the engine too slow (below minimum nameplate speed) because the splash/flood lubrication system for the crankcase may not operate well at low speeds. If you run the engine very slow, it might be a good idea to overfill the crankcase to assure plenty of oil gets to the mains, crosshead, and piston rod packing. It might be a good idea to at least take the side cover plate over the crosshead off and start the engine and run it slow, then see if everything is getting some oil.
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That's a good point and probably the main reason I'm selling my 346. It won't splash enough oil around at less than 190 rpm, at least when it's cold. I checked this by putting an aluminum strap down the filler hole (right behind the cylinder and just to the side of the rod) while running it at various speeds. It kept coming out clean at the lowest speed the mag will work at, about 170 rpm.
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Overfilling the crankcase and using lighter bodied oil would probably eliminate that problem, but you'd probably need to correct the oil level and viscosity before running it fast or loading it. I have a Franklin engine that has covers over the crosshead area that lift off, so it's easy to see if oil is getting to everything when it is running. In colder weather, the viscosity of the oil has a big effect on how well it oils and so does the oil level. In this particular engine, raising the oil level around 3/4" will really get the oil moving at lower speeds.
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Thanks guys, was worried about that myself. At first had all the covers off and lubed her oil with a squirt can, after I straightened the flywheel I drained all the pickled mice and crickets out flushed with kerosene and swabbed out the crankcase, and cross head chamber with clean rags. I put six gallons of new oil which brought it up to the rod, and just touched the counterweights. It began to throw oil up to the cross head and piston rod, and out the side cover. Also checked the mains and they are getting oiled. Added one more gallon and was forced to put covers on. Put a 45 ell, pipe and cap in oil drain hole at rear of crankcase so I can check or refill to the same level. If anyone knows how much oil it should have pleased let me know. I took the poor quality video with a old Cannon Power Shot. It is limited to 20 seconds, no matter what size memory card is installed. Maybe I need to get a video camera Well I see the videos aren't even 20 seconds, I'll see what's up.

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As it happens I was in Odessa today at an oilfield engine service shop. I asked how much oil my 7 1/2 x 10 takes. The answer was 9 gallons. I expect your's will be around there somewhere. In Oklahoma City today, going to another shop tomorrow. I'll ask them and see what they say. I made a note to ask about your 12x15. I would expect that enough to get splashed would be plenty, however, remember that these run for a year at a time so a couple of extra gallons would be a good safety factor. BTW, they reccomended 30 weight non-detergent oil. Detergent oil holds the dirt in suspension so it gets drained out every 3000 miles. These run for a year between oil changes so you want the dirt to settle to the bottom out of the way.

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The answer is 9. There was some debate because the chart had gallons/quarts at the top. I'm voting for gallons. It is the same for both engines. Some of the engines had sight glasses on the end. It looked like the oil level was most of the way to the bottom of the end plate where you put oil in. That would put the crank dipping in pretty good but not up to the crank bearings. That way the crank seals only need to deal with splashed, not standing oil. Once again the answer was 30 wt non detergent oil.

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Bill,
What a fun project!!!! I had a chance to spend about 3 weeks working on a 25 hp bessimer last winter in Ok. and we were able to make it run before we had to come home. What a kick in the pants. That engine had simple babbit bearings though, it sounds like this engine in much advanced in tech. When was this engine built? How much did it weigh? Is it a 4 stroke? The old bessimer weighed 8700, and was a 2 srroke.

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Thanks Keith, I think I'll add a couple more gallons and bring it up to 9 gallons. Then add a pipe of the length necessary to check the level. My instructions simply said fill it to the indicated mark on the sight, (which was gone). Studying the illustrations supports what you said about the level

Walt, I don't know the age, it has an OC mag, my guess is 1938-1940? Anyone care to comment. It sure is fun It's a 2 stroke, and has a cross head and piston rod They came with babbitt or roller bearings, maybe it could have been an option but really think it has to do with when it was made. She weighs about 13,000 pounds In that video where she's running about 40RPM, the wheezing sound was the mixer valve. It was adjusted improperly. Now that it is set right (no wheezing) about 60RPM is about as slow as she will run.
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Bill or Doug,
when you were straightening the crank with the bottle jack, what did you jack against?. I visualize one end against the rim of the flywheel you want to straiten, but where did you get a purchase that would not do damage on the other side?
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