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Old 08-19-2008, 06:59:41 PM
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Good afternoon, I have had a strange exchange with a gentleman wanting to sell a oilfield engine. His one picture of the machine showed many items missing; oilers, possible main valve and fuel valve, hot tube, bushing and chimney. His ad said best offer. He didnt know if the pistons were stuck. I responded to the ad and asked for more information and possibly pictures. Since the ad said best offer, I made an offer reflecting what I saw in the pictures. He replied that I was not in the price range and my offer did not justify answers or pictures. He went on to say " I may of been born at night, but not last night"
I felt the answer needed a response, so I emailed back that the missing (or unseen) items could easily add $1000 to the cost and since he seemed unwilling to answer my questions, and since he didnt mention a price range, I felt my offer justified at the time. Not sure why he went off like that.
Question: when someone is selling at "best offer" why not offer the additional information so the true condition of the item is revealed? And if someone has a particular price range in mind, why not mention that in the ad.
I have to admit I was a bit surprised by the response. Jim.
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Old 08-19-2008, 08:32:33 PM
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If someone says "best offer" they should be prepared to listen to every offer made and respond even if it is one they consider way too low. If someone thinks they will be insulted by low offers, they should state "best offer over $2000 gets it" or such. Sometimes people's ignorance of engine prices leads them to think they have gold when they don't. I remember a gent having a 6 HP Type H that I tried to buy, this was in the mid 1970's. He said "make me an offer" and I said $200 (which was a fair price for the engine in the mid 70's). He said I must think he's a fool as one sold recently at an auction near him and brought 4 times that. Of course the one that brought 4 times my offer was an original 8 HP portable Type N Fairbanks. Not an equal comparison but to him an engine was an engine.
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Old 08-20-2008, 08:48:29 AM
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I see the same thing in the old car market. I offered a guy a good price for a 67 Fairlane. One thousand for a car with flat tires,broken windshield,did not run and bad seats. He started telling me I was crazy,he could get eight thousand at auction. So I left and he still has the car five years later. So people think they have gold when they have trash.
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Old 08-20-2008, 09:53:26 AM
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I just had this happen to me a while ago. An older gentleman has a 2 1/2 H.P. Foos Jr. hopper cooled that I have known he has had for a few years. He is not an engine collector as this is the only one he has and doesn't really know alot about it other then its history. He told me a few years ago that he wanted to get it running for himself, well, that never happened, and I went to go see him again a few months ago. Not expecting it, he offered to sell it to me when I was there and he said to make him a "reasonable offer" Well, the engine isn't really rough, but a few pieces are busted and missing. From watching auctions and ads over the years, I know about what a Foos of this size would bring, and being in its condition, I came up with a price in my mind that would be fair and told him. His response was that he wouldn't even consider my offer and that he would just let it sit right where it was. I guess thats fine, but he wants way more then what its worth, so i guess thats where it sits for now.
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Old 08-20-2008, 10:56:14 AM
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Let's face it and just say it:
A jerk is born every minute........and perhaps even more often.......which explains the overabundance OF them........ .......
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Old 08-20-2008, 12:24:13 PM
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This wasnt a best offer deal but i remember when i was hunting for my first Briggs FH, i love them things, I posted a wanted add here on Harrys for a FH. To make a long story short at that same time i was just starting out in the antique engine hobby so one day i got a responce, he said he had an FH, said all that has been done to it and said that what was repaired and he also said it was free. He ment free by the engine being free, not stuck, I however took it as free meaning the whole damn engine was free for me to have! and i was like...OK...I'll take it and am willing to pay what ever shipping is. Ya well that didnt last long, the dude emailed back and said a few things that i fail to remember, then he said, "you probably cant afford this engine anyway" (what ever) and then i emailed back and said, ohnest mistake, i thought you ment free as if the engine were free to have, i said i mis understood you and i apologised. I sent the email, no responce, next day, i sent a copy of the email,....no responce.....It was a simple ohnest mistake but i guess some people cant admit when they make a mistake too. I guess there eego's too big.
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Old 08-20-2008, 01:03:11 PM
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I have run into. crooks .liers .hecklers.people with just no personalty.and the ones that dont have a clue are in breds.........most of the people are pretty darn nice.....and normal......
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I think that the person that is trying to charge to much name should be posted so we can all see it . then maybe some of this would slow down. & then to, the person could explain why so high a price for frozen , crackedbusted junk with parts missing
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Toolman, I dont think that this person is trying to charge too much, He just didnt mention what price was the "Best Offer" . I do know that his "Best Offer" was not what I offered, by his reaction.
Most People, whos ads I respond to, are courteous and helpfull . This was the exception to the rule. Jim.
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Here's an odd thought .... MAYBE, just maybe you offered him too much and he thought you were pulling his leg!!!
I know that's not very likely, but it would be awful funny if that was the case!
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too often those people end up passing away years later with all their collection intact, but the elements and the sticky fingered ijits amonst us have left only scrap.....
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Here's an odd thought .... MAYBE, just maybe you offered him too much and he thought you were pulling his leg!!!
I know that's not very likely, but it would be awful funny if that was the case!

Believe it or not, we have HAD that happen. Offered to buy a '30 model A pickup from an older gentleman for $2000, and he said it was way too much. (we thought.........what??) Settled on $500 with him, and another $1000 in fixin' and she's a driver
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tried getting a 62 falcon from the brother in law,Was in fair shape then,needed rear quarters and gastank.Wouldn't sell for $500,so there it sat.He took off the tires and it sat on the ground for 7 years, then he said ok you can get it for $500.Now it needed the complete underbody!Not a chance!It went for scrap....I was going to stuff a chev small block in it and have some funOh well.
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Old 08-21-2008, 10:16:33 PM
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Having been on BOTH sides, I'll offer a few insights.

First, there are an awful lot of people out there who want something for NOTHING, or as next to it as they can get. Having people try to beat you to death gets old fast. I try to set what I feel is a fair and realistic price with a little "wiggle room" just to make the buyer happy when they talk me down...but when some guy starts listing all the real or imagined faults on an item MY base price that I will accept starts creeping upward -- just from the aggravation, ESPECIALLY if THEY are less than polite about it... (not saying it happened here but maybe the guy or two BEFORE you pizzed him off doing that)

Second, "reasonable" is often a relative term. I've noticed that many guys around HERE for some reason seem to remember and EXPECT the prices stuff brought 5-10 years ago when they are BUYING, but the same guys want current ebay, dealer, or antique store prices plus a premium when they are SELLING. Nothing "wrong"' with that. But don't expect me to play. I'm not gonna cut MY throat so they can make a heftier profit on it next week or next year.

Third, Some people are just touchy. I'm no longer afraid to simply walk away. Most of the stuff I own is payed for and doesn't eat. Or, conversely, there's very little that I'll just die if I don't get TODAY (or sometimes at all). Don't feel it's a good deal for you? Then don't agree to it (buying OR selling), if the other guy is mad, toughski shitski.
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Allen, I totally agree that perhaps some other buyers had been before me. My point is that if the seller states best offer, and doesnt give a base price or price range, then is so insulted by your offer that he wont answer questions or provide pictures that would help you to justify a higher offer.
I feel my mistake was to offer a price based on the limited information provided. I should have asked for more information and pictures and kept quiet on my initial offer. Thanks for your thoughts, Jim.
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I generally find that if someone responds "make me an offer", they are really not serious about selling the item and may just be looking for interested parties to value the item for them. In either case, I don't price for the seller items I'm going to purchase, that's the sellers responsibility.
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Old 08-24-2008, 12:25:32 AM
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I recently offered an engine for sale...for $600 o.b.o. The offers ranged from the rediculously lowball ($125) to $500 (which I took and actually had 2 other people waiting, hoping the buyer would back out at that price so they could get it)...

My question is WHY would anyone even offer less than 1/4 of the asking price on something already rather fairly priced? Do they really think someone will take it? or are they just trying to make the sellers mad? ...IMO Some buyers (especially the cheapskate ones) can be their own (and everyone else's) worst enemies.
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I have bought engines and many things at 1/2 price, not 1/4, but 1/2. If you don't like my offer just say thanks, but no thanks, and I'll be on my way. 1/4 may be the best offer, and that IS what you said, best offer.
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I absolutely hate "Make me an offer"! First off, the seller, most likely, has a price range in mind. If I'm wanting to buy the item, I'd like to know what the seller is expecting to get for it. Then, I can determine of the item is in good enough condition to be worth the money.
I stumbled across a Gibson tractor about three years back. I asked the owner if he was willing to sell. I went home and used the WWW to find a group of Gibson owners where I joined up and asked their opinion after I had given a description of the condition of the tractor. I heard a price range from them. A couple of weeks later, the gent called and said those dreaded words. I asked him what sort of price range he was thinking. He said he had advertised it for X, but since I was first to ask and he thought I was wanting it for myself and not to turn a buck on, he offered it to me for somewhat less. I got a good deal and he was satisfied too.
I guess if a seller won't give a price range he's thinking, then lowball him and walk away. Doin' a little research doesn't hurt either, which is what I see most of you have done with your purchases.
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Old 08-24-2008, 06:46:37 PM
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that IS what you said, best offer.
I guess I'm just naive enough to believe that the implied "reasonable" in o.b.o. is understood.-- Kind of reminds me of the Cabin Fever Expo a couple years back when I had a dish of Werthers candy out on my table and a fellow asked "Are these free?" and when I nodded yes, scooped up the ENTIRE dish worth (about 1/3 pound) and started to walk away...I was simply dumbfounded that ANYBODY could be that big of a(n) {insert name here}.
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